4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

The police don’t seem to care much about men stalking women.

That is a bs statement obviously made by a "police hating" person. Shame on you.

Different poster; I’m not a police hating person, just a former prosecutor and sister of a detective and have extensive experience with cops.

I think you might be shocked by the obstacles police often put in the way of prosecuting crimes against women, undermining the state’s case often from their first encounter with the victim. It’s such a widespread problem we discuss it at length at national trainings for prosecutors of sexual assault crimes and other crimes against women. Typical police mindset is very authoritarian/patriarchal, and the profession has a substantially higher than average rate of domestic violence including child abuse - and doubtless most of it goes unreported because the victims are terrified of other police who work with the perpetrator.

Police routinely blow off crimes against women. It has gotten marginally better since VAWA mandated training but far too many police still subscribe to deeply misogynistic views of women as crime victims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

The police don’t seem to care much about men stalking women.

That is a bs statement obviously made by a "police hating" person. Shame on you.

Different poster; I’m not a police hating person, just a former prosecutor and sister of a detective and have extensive experience with cops.

I think you might be shocked by the obstacles police often put in the way of prosecuting crimes against women, undermining the state’s case often from their first encounter with the victim. It’s such a widespread problem we discuss it at length at national trainings for prosecutors of sexual assault crimes and other crimes against women. Typical police mindset is very authoritarian/patriarchal, and the profession has a substantially higher than average rate of domestic violence including child abuse - and doubtless most of it goes unreported because the victims are terrified of other police who work with the perpetrator.

Police routinely blow off crimes against women. It has gotten marginally better since VAWA mandated training but far too many police still subscribe to deeply misogynistic views of women as crime victims.

I believe very word of this post (since I world for the military--similar mindset)...but how sad that this is who we are supposed to call when we need help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

The police don’t seem to care much about men stalking women.

That is a bs statement obviously made by a "police hating" person. Shame on you.

Different poster; I’m not a police hating person, just a former prosecutor and sister of a detective and have extensive experience with cops.

I think you might be shocked by the obstacles police often put in the way of prosecuting crimes against women, undermining the state’s case often from their first encounter with the victim. It’s such a widespread problem we discuss it at length at national trainings for prosecutors of sexual assault crimes and other crimes against women. Typical police mindset is very authoritarian/patriarchal, and the profession has a substantially higher than average rate of domestic violence including child abuse - and doubtless most of it goes unreported because the victims are terrified of other police who work with the perpetrator.

Police routinely blow off crimes against women. It has gotten marginally better since VAWA mandated training but far too many police still subscribe to deeply misogynistic views of women as crime victims.

I believe very word of this post (since I world for the military--similar mindset)...but how sad that this is who we are supposed to call when we need help.

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I have seen this in action often - police, in general, do not take women seriously - and police are absolutely at the top of the list for DV abusers. It is a culture and a code - "Brotherhood of the Blue". They will back each other up, no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading some commentary on Reddit about how he may have been interested in one of the girls and was angry at being rejected/not getting anywhere. Some comments were suggesting he was an incel. This is Reddit, so take it with a grain of salt, but it would match a pattern of male violence.

+1

This actually makes sense, and I would not be surprised at all. Stalkers do not back down easily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading some commentary on Reddit about how he may have been interested in one of the girls and was angry at being rejected/not getting anywhere. Some comments were suggesting he was an incel. This is Reddit, so take it with a grain of salt, but it would match a pattern of male violence.

+1

This actually makes sense, and I would not be surprised at all. Stalkers do not back down easily.

(if at all)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

The police don’t seem to care much about men stalking women.

That is a bs statement obviously made by a "police hating" person. Shame on you.

Different poster; I’m not a police hating person, just a former prosecutor and sister of a detective and have extensive experience with cops.

I think you might be shocked by the obstacles police often put in the way of prosecuting crimes against women, undermining the state’s case often from their first encounter with the victim. It’s such a widespread problem we discuss it at length at national trainings for prosecutors of sexual assault crimes and other crimes against women. Typical police mindset is very authoritarian/patriarchal, and the profession has a substantially higher than average rate of domestic violence including child abuse - and doubtless most of it goes unreported because the victims are terrified of other police who work with the perpetrator.

Police routinely blow off crimes against women. It has gotten marginally better since VAWA mandated training but far too many police still subscribe to deeply misogynistic views of women as crime victims.

Thank you for posting. My family has first-hand experience with this problem and I appreciate the way you have articulated it--would appreciate any advice you have on communicating this to the general public or resources to share!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

The police don’t seem to care much about men stalking women.

That is a bs statement obviously made by a "police hating" person. Shame on you.

Different poster; I’m not a police hating person, just a former prosecutor and sister of a detective and have extensive experience with cops.

I think you might be shocked by the obstacles police often put in the way of prosecuting crimes against women, undermining the state’s case often from their first encounter with the victim. It’s such a widespread problem we discuss it at length at national trainings for prosecutors of sexual assault crimes and other crimes against women. Typical police mindset is very authoritarian/patriarchal, and the profession has a substantially higher than average rate of domestic violence including child abuse - and doubtless most of it goes unreported because the victims are terrified of other police who work with the perpetrator.

Police routinely blow off crimes against women. It has gotten marginally better since VAWA mandated training but far too many police still subscribe to deeply misogynistic views of women as crime victims.

Thank you for posting. My family has first-hand experience with this problem and I appreciate the way you have articulated it--would appreciate any advice you have on communicating this to the general public or resources to share!

+1

[Anonymous]

Kohberger's exraditon hearing is about to happen. He just went into the court room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJf5vUthIsQ

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Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I can think of a couple people I know that are bizarre and a creepy. Most people can. But unless someone is actually doing something illegal, or extremely suspicious, what are you supposed to do?

Have you heard “see something, say something”?
You are NOT the investigator. You report!

That phrase is used in airports - its about suspicious packages, not behavior.

Wrong. It’s about anything suspicious or concerning. If a kid starts talking about killing people, you had better say something... like get a mental health evaluation asap.

Of course, but is there any indication that this guy was ever talking about killing people? It seems like he was just weird and had social problems. How can you really report that?

Also, he isn't a kid. Sure, in that specific instance—a kid who's talking about killing people—you get them a mental evaluation, or report it to someone who can.

But that's not the same as "saying something" about an adult's behavior. With an adult, you can't force someone to have a mental evaluation unless you can prove they're a danger to themself or others. Even if they're clearly unstable, unpleasant, and antisocial. Even if they own a gun. (I'm not saying any of this is right, just that it's the current reality in most states.)

There's an extremely high threshold for involuntary commitment, and even then it's nearly impossible to hold someone for very long unless they've been accused of a crime and are being treated in order to be competent to stand trial (i.e., Catherine Hoggle in Maryland). It's usually about 72 hours, enough to temporarily stabilize them and hopefully connect them with other mental health resources in the community. A person would have to be incredibly violent or dissociated from reality to justify a hearing to consider holding them longer. No state, county, or city in this country has the beds for anything beyond the most dire cases.

And really, if people reported to the police everyone they meet who's unstable or angry or creepy and seems likely to commit a crime, the cops would be inundated. Never mind all the calls from people who assume anyone who doesn't fit their idea of "normal" or "decent" must be a psychopath or a criminal, or both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Perhaps see something, say something.
Apparently, one of the bars he went to, observed that he said things that were highly inappropriate and creepy. So every time they scanned his ID, they saw notes made: to keep an eye on him.
When a kid says some adult (teacher, coach, neighbor, relative, whoever) is weird or creepy, you need to listen up.

[Anonymous]

How did his father drive cross country in THAT white car without knowing something was up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did his father drive cross country in THAT white car without knowing something was up?

Not everyone follows the news obsessively? This happened thousands of miles from where he lived.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How did his father drive cross country in THAT white car without knowing something was up?

Not everyone follows the news obsessively? This happened thousands of miles from where he lived.

Uhhhh...maybe someone who never follows the news wouldn't have heard about it.

[Anonymous]

Suspect is on a flight to ID right now. He could possibly be in court on Thursday -- which means that the public will be able to see what is in the charging documents. If not Thurs, I'd expect him to be in court by Friday.

[Anonymous]

forgot the link:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/04/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-wednesday/index.html