Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

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According to the CDC: Most people who fall ill recover within two weeks. People with more severe cases generally recover in three to six weeks.

Based on data from roughly 17,000 reports, about 82 percent of the cases of novel coronavirus are considered mild, 15 percent are severe, 3 percent are critical, and less than 2 percent are fatal, according to Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who shared those numbers at a WHO press briefing on Feb. 7.

Seriously, people need to calm the F down.

I don't think people are worried about dying. Your numbers add us to 102%. However, your numbers of severe, critical, and fatal are 20% and that could be a lot of people in the hospital and that is the problem . . . hospital space.

. These aren't "my" numbers. It is a direct copy from a cdc release. The bottom line is that the vast majority of people who get the virus will have mild symptoms. There is nothing to indicate that the severe symptoms with require hospitalization. That leaves us with 3% who are critical 2% of which will be fatal. Still awful but the panic simply is not warranted. We live in a world of global travel. There is no way to stop the spread of viruses but the fatalism is crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

According to the CDC: Most people who fall ill recover within two weeks. People with more severe cases generally recover in three to six weeks.

Based on data from roughly 17,000 reports, about 82 percent of the cases of novel coronavirus are considered mild, 15 percent are severe, 3 percent are critical, and less than 2 percent are fatal, according to Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who shared those numbers at a WHO press briefing on Feb. 7.

Seriously, people need to calm the F down.

I don't think people are worried about dying. Your numbers add us to 102%. However, your numbers of severe, critical, and fatal are 20% and that could be a lot of people in the hospital and that is the problem . . . hospital space.

. These aren't "my" numbers. It is a direct copy from a cdc release. The bottom line is that the vast majority of people who get the virus will have mild symptoms. There is nothing to indicate that the severe symptoms with require hospitalization. That leaves us with 3% who are critical 2% of which will be fatal. Still awful but the panic simply is not warranted. We live in a world of global travel. There is no way to stop the spread of viruses but the fatalism is crazy.

How would you react if schools were closed for 2 months?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New York doctor weighing in...

Didn't show the full thread - click for more.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/nyc-doctor-has-to-plead-with-health-dept-to-test-for-coronavirus/

There is a link to his CNBC appearance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the CDC: Most people who fall ill recover within two weeks. People with more severe cases generally recover in three to six weeks.

Based on data from roughly 17,000 reports, about 82 percent of the cases of novel coronavirus are considered mild, 15 percent are severe, 3 percent are critical, and less than 2 percent are fatal, according to Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who shared those numbers at a WHO press briefing on Feb. 7.

Seriously, people need to calm the F down.

Washington State is currently at 33% fatality.

What is your suggestion? Ignore ?don't forget, your stats are in addition to the flu risks. That sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is the CDC no longer telling the public how many people they are testing?

you know why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

According to the CDC: Most people who fall ill recover within two weeks. People with more severe cases generally recover in three to six weeks.

Based on data from roughly 17,000 reports, about 82 percent of the cases of novel coronavirus are considered mild, 15 percent are severe, 3 percent are critical, and less than 2 percent are fatal, according to Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who shared those numbers at a WHO press briefing on Feb. 7.

Seriously, people need to calm the F down.

I don't think people are worried about dying. Your numbers add us to 102%. However, your numbers of severe, critical, and fatal are 20% and that could be a lot of people in the hospital and that is the problem . . . hospital space.

. These aren't "my" numbers. It is a direct copy from a cdc release. The bottom line is that the vast majority of people who get the virus will have mild symptoms. There is nothing to indicate that the severe symptoms with require hospitalization. That leaves us with 3% who are critical 2% of which will be fatal. Still awful but the panic simply is not warranted. We live in a world of global travel. There is no way to stop the spread of viruses but the fatalism is crazy.

Yes, that is what "severe" symptoms means. Here are Dr. Fauci's remarks from the WH press conference. I'm copying his entire response because I think it's the best explanation of the challenges we will face.
I know it's hard to believe, but it's true - this is more severe than any flu since the 1918 pandemic.

MR. FAUCI: Yeah, okay. So the “n” — the number in our country — currently is low. But when you look at the pattern, it seems to be following the experiences that others have had. It’s never 100 percent. If you look at the totality of the cases that have been reported, particularly from China, about 75 to 80 percent of them would do really quite well. They would just sort of like a bad flu or a cold. You get anywhere from 15 to 20, 20-some-odd percent who are going to go on to require advanced medical care — hospitalization, possibly intensive care.

For the most part, the people who get in trouble and ultimately, tragically, would die from this are people who are elderly and/or have underlying conditions: heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, obesity, because of the difficulty in breathing back and forth.

However, every once in a while, you’re going to see a one-off, you’re going to see a 25-year-old person, who looks otherwise well, that’s going to get seriously ill. But the vast majority of the people who get into trouble do have these underlying conditions.

And that’s why it confuses people, because they say, “Well, you just said that, and then there’s a report of a 40-year-old physician from China who died. That’s going to happen. That happens with influenza. Most of the time, influenza kills people who are advanced age and underlying conditions. But you hear in the media, every once in a while, a college student would get infected and ultimately die. But the majority is in that risk group.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference-2/

[Anonymous]

Most of us are not saying that the world is ending and that everyone should panic. What we are saying is that in order to slow the spread of this virus and not overwhelm the healthcare facilities, we need to implement basic social distancing measures such as encouraging people who can work remotely to do so and implementing remote learning for middle and high school students, for example. I’m so tired of hearing people say that we must choose between ignoring the situation and panicking. We should be making rational decisions based on the spread of this in other countries and the impacts we’ve seen there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

According to the CDC: Most people who fall ill recover within two weeks. People with more severe cases generally recover in three to six weeks.

Based on data from roughly 17,000 reports, about 82 percent of the cases of novel coronavirus are considered mild, 15 percent are severe, 3 percent are critical, and less than 2 percent are fatal, according to Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who shared those numbers at a WHO press briefing on Feb. 7.

Seriously, people need to calm the F down.

I don't think people are worried about dying. Your numbers add us to 102%. However, your numbers of severe, critical, and fatal are 20% and that could be a lot of people in the hospital and that is the problem . . . hospital space.

. These aren't "my" numbers. It is a direct copy from a cdc release. The bottom line is that the vast majority of people who get the virus will have mild symptoms. There is nothing to indicate that the severe symptoms with require hospitalization. That leaves us with 3% who are critical 2% of which will be fatal. Still awful but the panic simply is not warranted. We live in a world of global travel. There is no way to stop the spread of viruses but the fatalism is crazy.

How would you react if schools were closed for 2 months?

. I would deal, just like I deal with everything in life. Freaking out over what may or may not happen before it happens to the extent that there is a 400+ page thread of speculation is ridiculous. Too many people with too much time on their hands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the CDC no longer telling the public how many people they are testing?

you know why.

It is possible that they are no longer giving that stat because the states now are doing the testing. A lot of questions have been asked, so I expect we'll have an answer soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of us are not saying that the world is ending and that everyone should panic. What we are saying is that in order to slow the spread of this virus and not overwhelm the healthcare facilities, we need to implement basic social distancing measures such as encouraging people who can work remotely to do so and implementing remote learning for middle and high school students, for example. I’m so tired of hearing people say that we must choose between ignoring the situation and panicking. We should be making rational decisions based on the spread of this in other countries and the impacts we’ve seen there.

Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of us are not saying that the world is ending and that everyone should panic. What we are saying is that in order to slow the spread of this virus and not overwhelm the healthcare facilities, we need to implement basic social distancing measures such as encouraging people who can work remotely to do so and implementing remote learning for middle and high school students, for example. I’m so tired of hearing people say that we must choose between ignoring the situation and panicking. We should be making rational decisions based on the spread of this in other countries and the impacts we’ve seen there.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of us are not saying that the world is ending and that everyone should panic. What we are saying is that in order to slow the spread of this virus and not overwhelm the healthcare facilities, we need to implement basic social distancing measures such as encouraging people who can work remotely to do so and implementing remote learning for middle and high school students, for example. I’m so tired of hearing people say that we must choose between ignoring the situation and panicking. We should be making rational decisions based on the spread of this in other countries and the impacts we’ve seen there.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, that is not the approach the majority of people are taking. It is panic, speculation and over the top reaction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of us are not saying that the world is ending and that everyone should panic. What we are saying is that in order to slow the spread of this virus and not overwhelm the healthcare facilities, we need to implement basic social distancing measures such as encouraging people who can work remotely to do so and implementing remote learning for middle and high school students, for example. I’m so tired of hearing people say that we must choose between ignoring the situation and panicking. We should be making rational decisions based on the spread of this in other countries and the impacts we’ve seen there.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, that is not the approach the majority of people are taking. It is panic, speculation and over the top reaction.

I'm not seeing that. The majority of people are making jokes about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy exports cases to two more countries--Portugal and Andorra, both with their first cases. This brings export countries to about 33.

Moscow also reporting its first case--Russia has not reported any new cases beyond their original 2 weeks ago. No details, but could also be related to Italy.

India also was stuck at three cases from a while ago. It now has two cases, one imported from Italy and another from the UAE. Spread to India could be a big deal considering all the back office it supplies for companies everywhere.

Moscow case also a traveler from Italy.

Jordan and Senegal also report their first cases, both Italy related.

This should make around 37 countries where the virus has been exported from Italy.

Do we know why Italy was hit so hard? Or maybe it was one guy at a popular restaurant and he gave it to all the international tourists?
Neighbors took a week vacation to the usual tourist spots two weeks ago. Guess we'll see what happens.

I understand that Patient 1 gave it to his pregnant wife and his running partner. The running partner gave it to his father, who then passed it on to various people at a bar he frequented.

In addition, Patient 1 went to an emergency room where he infected people and later checked into the hospital, where he infected hospital staff, who in turn infected patients. Patient 1 was tested only when he remembered that he had had dinner with a colleague who had been to China.

Authorities thought the colleague might be Patient Zero, but he has been tested multiple times and each time has come out negative. At this point the Italian authorities have given up the hunt for Patient Zero.

Patient 1 is said to be in critical condition despite being young and fit. Although he is not Patient Zero, he was the source of much of the spread.

I don't think it's 100% clear that Patient 1 gave it to all the people in the hospital. 8 people at the hospital were diagnosed on 2/21 --the day after after Patient 1 was diagnosed on 2/20, Patient 1 had been to the hospital with a cold on 2/15, felt better (and went running and I think also played soccer with his rec team, I read), and then on 2/19 got very sick. It seems pretty unlikely that he infected 8 people (including 3 patients) during his 2/15 visit, and that they were all testing positive within 5 days. Seems much more likely that the unknown Patient 0 was at the hospital at some point in early February, and infected a health care worker there, who unknowingly spread it around the hospital including to Patient 1 when he visited on 2/15. I feel bad for that Patient 1, as he gave it to his pregnant wife and his kid, and he was in critical care himself. I haven't heard any further reports on whether he has recovered. He worked for Unilever, I think.

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A person that was under 14 day quarantine in San Antonio was after being evacuated from Wuhan was released by mistake. They tested her twice and got negatives but the result from another lab had not gotten in yet and eventually came back as positive.

What the F. So these new tests that we waited over a month for that were supposed to be the better and a fix to the botched batch of tests previously, are still crap.

If there is one thing we need to buy from China, it's their testing kits.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/03/02/officials-coronavirus-patient-returned-to-isolation-after-visiting-north-star-mall-checking-into-hotel-near-sa-airport/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=ksat12