Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so upset right now, my neighbor told me yesterday that she is 100% sure she has the corona-virus, and "it's no big deal, it feels just like the flu".

My thoughts:

1. she doesn't not have the coronavirus, she obviously has the flu, because she was so proud she didn't get a flu shot, she is anti-vaccine.

2. if she was correct that she really had the coronavirus, why is she hanging out outside? why is she going to work? why doesn't she tell her doctor?

3. Coronavirus is clearly not "just like the flu".

Darwin usually handles people like this.

In all seriousness, she's nuts and dangerous. Don't go near her

[Anonymous]

The head of the hospital was hospitalized for 7 days with moderate symptoms.

Right now it isn't clear that Bergamo will be added to "the red zone" but it is looking likely -- increasing cases.

Bergamo is in the center of a few towns with increasing cases. The mayor of one of the towns is positive for coronavirus.

But now, after eleven days of virus, hospitals in the area are suffering. To Pope John XXIII of Bergamo, the trainees speak of "shifts of 13-14 hours, with twelve days in a row" and with an influx of patients "that does not subside: every evening more and more arrive only that we no longer know where to put them ».

Yes, because in the hospital the intensive care unit has 80 places "but they are all full, although not all occupied by coronavirus patients". In addition to the crisis table with the leaders of Pope John XXIII, who meets every day, the management has tried on the one hand to have entire areas of the garrison dedicated to patients with coronavirus and on the other to make tampons "at home" , so as to reduce the time for results.

https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2020/03/03/news/coronavirus-sindaco-e-primario-contagiati-la-paura-arriva-in-val-seriana-1.38542296


time lapse of cases in Italy:

blob:https://video.lastampa.it/dae44679-e9c1-49e8-9b39-66863f8ec0d1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:situation in Italy:

62 year old psychotherapist dies of coronavirus; they are trying to figure out if he had any underlying health issues but none are immediately known.

He was an Alzheimer's therapist and pioneered certain techniques (doll therapy) in Bergamo.

Tired on Tuesday evening; difficulty breathing on Thursday evening; hospitalized on Friday and died Sunday night.

Cilesi had arrived in Salsomaggiore (Parma), at his partner's house, on Tuesday evening: he was experiencing some malaise but had no fever. It just seemed tired of the many commitments and projectsu he was following. Then the situation precipitated within three days: a respiratory crisis on Thursday night, hospitalization at Vaio hospital (in Fidenza, Parma) on Friday night, where he tested positive for the coronavirus swab. On Saturday he was transferred to the Maggiore hospital of Parma where he died on the night between Sunday and Monday.

He was not particularly worried about the coronavirus, "it is a slightly higher flu", he said, "we respect the directives but we are calm, we go out with mask and gloves" to go to the wards, but he was also "angry" for a certain kind of communication on the "most affected elderly" as to minimize the losses of these days.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronavirus-cilesi-non-era-preoccupato-verifiche-su-eventuali-patologie-pregre_1343503_11/

Poor guy.
My take on this:

1, he traveled=tired, stressed, exhausted
2. He was very active and worked on many projects = stressed tired, exhausted
3. When he Felt bit sick at first he might have taken some pain killers that stopped any possible fever from even developing
4. This could kill him.

Stress lowered his immune system, he just might have taken pills to not feel sick.. he overdid it. Body could not handle Stress and CV and without rest and fever to fight it.

You need to respect even normal flu, flu and CV trashes the heart.

Considering his job he had access to any meds. He underestimated need to rest on first light symptom with CV, It is those who medicate themselves and try to just go about the business that end up in the worse condition in the middle age group.

Respect the body need to rest. It can not do anything else. The CV takes ALL the resourcess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

Wow. Your parents clearly failed you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so upset right now, my neighbor told me yesterday that she is 100% sure she has the corona-virus, and "it's no big deal, it feels just like the flu".

My thoughts:

1. she doesn't not have the coronavirus, she obviously has the flu, because she was so proud she didn't get a flu shot, she is anti-vaccine.

2. if she was correct that she really had the coronavirus, why is she hanging out outside? why is she going to work? why doesn't she tell her doctor?

3. Coronavirus is clearly not "just like the flu".

Darwin usually handles people like this.

If she recovered she probably is not contagious whatever it was. Some people like to brag. Good or bad.

In all seriousness, she's nuts and dangerous. Don't go near her

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

Wow. Your parents clearly failed you.

Some people do not come with those parts. No processing capability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody else have a feeling that we are way behind every other industrialized nation? If we survive this as a family, I will consider emigrating. I would also not be surprised if this will be the end of US dominance in the world - with our health system and poverty and crime, combined with a willful head in the sand behavior by our government and CDC, we will fare far worse than many other developed countries. I am so ashamed.

I don’t know. Strange thing is.. they tell you 80 000 people died of flu and nobody noticed it in the normsl life.. you would think people will see so many dying everywhere if they alarm over 9 cases in one area...

80K cases in 50 states make 1600 death cases in each and every state.. you think we would not notice this...hmmm..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why we don't have sufficient testing? If we do many many tests, it will be apparent that this is truly a pandemic and WHO will be forced to called this a "pandemic" (backed by the flood of positive tests). If WHO calls this a pandemic, the powerful bond holders of the "pandemic bonds" would lose $650+ millions of dollars. Scheduled maturity date is July 15, 2020, so the forces that be will try to prevent calling this a pandemic till or after this date....and with that perhaps hold back the testing.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2017/06/28/world-bank-launches-first-ever-pandemic-bonds-to-support-500-million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/28/world-banks-500m-coronavirus-push-too-late-for-poor-countries-experts-say

That seems ... immoral.

My dear, most people have to check the meaning of moral in the dictionary. They truly are not familiar. THIS IS DC! Politics and law. Anything that does not pay died long ago. Moral were the first victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody else have a feeling that we are way behind every other industrialized nation? If we survive this as a family, I will consider emigrating. I would also not be surprised if this will be the end of US dominance in the world - with our health system and poverty and crime, combined with a willful head in the sand behavior by our government and CDC, we will fare far worse than many other developed countries. I am so ashamed.

I don’t know. Strange thing is.. they tell you 80 000 people died of flu and nobody noticed it in the normsl life.. you would think people will see so many dying everywhere if they alarm over 9 cases in one area...

80K cases in 50 states make 1600 death cases in each and every state.. you think we would not notice this...hmmm..

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22my+*+died+*+pneumonia%22+%222019%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

5.6 million search results is a lot of notice.

[Anonymous]

The question isn't so much why don't we have enough testing, because the answer to that is that we are getting it this week.

The real question is why DIDN'T WE HAVE enough testing a month ago. If the CDC had allowed individual hospital labs to test when other countries did, we may have been able to contain this. All I heard in response to my alarm the past month have been racist stereotypes after racist stereotypes, to explain away why latest country being hit is so much more vulnerable than we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The question isn't so much why don't we have enough testing, because the answer to that is that we are getting it this week.

The real question is why DIDN'T WE HAVE enough testing a month ago. If the CDC had allowed individual hospital labs to test when other countries did, we may have been able to contain this. All I heard in response to my alarm the past month have been racist stereotypes after racist stereotypes, to explain away why latest country being hit is so much more vulnerable than we are.

Adding to my thought: and I don't think those arguments were from deeply xenophobic and racist folks. Most of the time, the joked or serious stereotypes were their last resort argument to hold onto the delusion that we won't get it here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poor guy.
My take on this:

1, he traveled=tired, stressed, exhausted
2. He was very active and worked on many projects = stressed tired, exhausted
3. When he Felt bit sick at first he might have taken some pain killers that stopped any possible fever from even developing
4. This could kill him.

Stress lowered his immune system, he just might have taken pills to not feel sick.. he overdid it. Body could not handle Stress and CV and without rest and fever to fight it.

You need to respect even normal flu, flu and CV trashes the heart.

Considering his job he had access to any meds. He underestimated need to rest on first light symptom with CV, It is those who medicate themselves and try to just go about the business that end up in the worse condition in the middle age group.

Respect the body need to rest. It can not do anything else. The CV takes ALL the resourcess.

I think the "stress kills" theory is really reaching. The guy "traveled" to his girlfriend/boyfriend's house in Parma on Tuesday night. That's a 1.5 hour car ride, hardly rigorous and grueling.

He sounds like a busy professional, felt run down and tired but didn't even have a fever on Wednesday. Then a "breathing crisis" came on suddenly and he was hospitalized in Parma, which hadn't seen a lot of coronavirus cases and might not have recognized that's what they were dealing with at first.

It seems that he wasn't known to have heart issues or lung disease or diabetes. I think he was just unlucky. Some people will be. 62 sure isn't old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:situation in Italy:

62 year old psychotherapist dies of coronavirus; they are trying to figure out if he had any underlying health issues but none are immediately known.

He was an Alzheimer's therapist and pioneered certain techniques (doll therapy) in Bergamo.

Tired on Tuesday evening; difficulty breathing on Thursday evening; hospitalized on Friday and died Sunday night.

Cilesi had arrived in Salsomaggiore (Parma), at his partner's house, on Tuesday evening: he was experiencing some malaise but had no fever. It just seemed tired of the many commitments and projectsu he was following. Then the situation precipitated within three days: a respiratory crisis on Thursday night, hospitalization at Vaio hospital (in Fidenza, Parma) on Friday night, where he tested positive for the coronavirus swab. On Saturday he was transferred to the Maggiore hospital of Parma where he died on the night between Sunday and Monday.

He was not particularly worried about the coronavirus, "it is a slightly higher flu", he said, "we respect the directives but we are calm, we go out with mask and gloves" to go to the wards, but he was also "angry" for a certain kind of communication on the "most affected elderly" as to minimize the losses of these days.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronavirus-cilesi-non-era-preoccupato-verifiche-su-eventuali-patologie-pregre_1343503_11/

Poor guy.
My take on this:

1, he traveled=tired, stressed, exhausted
2. He was very active and worked on many projects = stressed tired, exhausted
3. When he Felt bit sick at first he might have taken some pain killers that stopped any possible fever from even developing
4. This could kill him.

Stress lowered his immune system, he just might have taken pills to not feel sick.. he overdid it. Body could not handle Stress and CV and without rest and fever to fight it.

You need to respect even normal flu, flu and CV trashes the heart.

Considering his job he had access to any meds. He underestimated need to rest on first light symptom with CV, It is those who medicate themselves and try to just go about the business that end up in the worse condition in the middle age group.

Respect the body need to rest. It can not do anything else. The CV takes ALL the resourcess.

You make some really good points. If you get these symptoms, slow down and give your time body to heal and recover. Don't use cold meds to try and power your way through your normal routine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody else have a feeling that we are way behind every other industrialized nation? If we survive this as a family, I will consider emigrating. I would also not be surprised if this will be the end of US dominance in the world - with our health system and poverty and crime, combined with a willful head in the sand behavior by our government and CDC, we will fare far worse than many other developed countries. I am so ashamed.

I don’t know. Strange thing is.. they tell you 80 000 people died of flu and nobody noticed it in the normsl life.. you would think people will see so many dying everywhere if they alarm over 9 cases in one area...

80K cases in 50 states make 1600 death cases in each and every state.. you think we would not notice this...hmmm..

Are those deaths actually caused by the flu or are those flu related deaths, meaning that the person had heart disease, caught the flu and that led to their heart giving out...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody else have a feeling that we are way behind every other industrialized nation? If we survive this as a family, I will consider emigrating. I would also not be surprised if this will be the end of US dominance in the world - with our health system and poverty and crime, combined with a willful head in the sand behavior by our government and CDC, we will fare far worse than many other developed countries. I am so ashamed.

Well, cross Canada and the Netherlands off the list. Many complaints from Canadians and Dutch nationals on reddit threads about their government's head in the sand approach, saying we are lucky US authorities are taking it seriously. A US scientist of Belgian origin published an open letter to Belgium's Minister of Health criticizing her cavalier approach to the issue.

You might want to strike Spain as well. On Sunday their Minister of health said he saw no reason to cancel the Las Fallas celebration, which normally attracts a million tourists to Valencia in the first half of March.