Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

+1 your lungs don't grow any bigger when you're obese, but they have to provide oxygen to a lot more cells.

Good point. I'm the PP who mentioned the 40% of Americans are obese statistic. If obesity is a risk factor, and more Americans are obese than other places, I wonder if this means that more people could have severe symptoms here.

Define obese. I have seen people deemed obese on standard height/weight charts but when an actual body comp analysis is done they turn out to have more lean body mass than average and might have a normal fat percentage.

a person who is 31 pounds overweight and technically obese is not the same thing as a person who is 131 pounds overweight - yet they are both labeled obese. If they track the statistics on this they really should make it clear if the patient was mildly obese or morbidly obese. I suspect that mild obesity might be somewhat protective in the case of Coronavirus.

PP here and I agree with everything you've said. I think the increased risk--absent other medical risk factors--would be more significant only for the very obese, not necessarily those in the barely obese category.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924

School closings have started in WA.

These are individual reactive closings following one or two people diagnosed with the disease in the schools.

Different from widespread school closure as a means of community mitigation. Just FYI

In their own words, they are doing these closings "out of an abundance of caution". In the meantime, the kids are all out spreading it around daycare centers, movie theaters, malls and wherever else the little devils may go.

They will go back to a clean school though.

Clean?
Virus free ..maybe.
Clean? No, imagine the amount of chemicals injected into the space to decontaminate it.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924

School closings have started in WA.

These are individual reactive closings following one or two people diagnosed with the disease in the schools.

Different from widespread school closure as a means of community mitigation. Just FYI

In their own words, they are doing these closings "out of an abundance of caution". In the meantime, the kids are all out spreading it around daycare centers, movie theaters, malls and wherever else the little devils may go.

They will go back to a clean school though.

Clean?
Virus free ..maybe.
Clean? No, imagine the amount of chemicals injected into the space to decontaminate it.

No time to worry about organic products

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Isn't the actual mortality rate potentially much lower than the 2-3% discussed in the media? The death rate being reported is based on the number of diagnosed cases, but presumably there are probably thousands of additional undiagnosed cases where people had no or mild enough symptoms that they never were officially diagnosed.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the actual mortality rate potentially much lower than the 2-3% discussed in the media? The death rate being reported is based on the number of diagnosed cases, but presumably there are probably thousands of additional undiagnosed cases where people had no or mild enough symptoms that they never were officially diagnosed.

No, it's higher. You have to compare recovered vs deaths. Currently that's 6%. China tested WAY more than any other country is. I also read that asymptomatic people later did get it too.

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To the PPs discussing obesity, “protective factors”, etc.... do y’all have medical or science degrees? Somehow, I doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-school-closures/281-97cf6ffe-c0aa-47b8-bd6c-3da7ed60d924

School closings have started in WA.

These are individual reactive closings following one or two people diagnosed with the disease in the schools.

Different from widespread school closure as a means of community mitigation. Just FYI

In their own words, they are doing these closings "out of an abundance of caution". In the meantime, the kids are all out spreading it around daycare centers, movie theaters, malls and wherever else the little devils may go.

They will go back to a clean school though.

Clean?
Virus free ..maybe.
Clean? No, imagine the amount of chemicals injected into the space to decontaminate it.

No time to worry about organic products

Breathing this will hurt those kids more then the virus ever would.

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Three new deaths in Washington state. The Street’s not gonna like that.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PPs discussing obesity, “protective factors”, etc.... do y’all have medical or science degrees? Somehow, I doubt it.

I'm the PP that mentioned the 40% American obesity rate, and speaking for myself, I do. I have a Ph.D. in a research field that focuses on risk and protective factors in the general population, although not anything to do with infectious disease per se.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy's new numbers: 2,036 (+335) positive, 52 deaths (+11), 166 in serious/critical condition and 149 recovered

Golly those numbers suck!!

Scary

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Anonymous wrote:Three new deaths in Washington state. The Street’s not gonna like that.

Four more for a total of six, in Washington state.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-us-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-03-02/

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Anonymous wrote:Three new deaths in Washington state. The Street’s not gonna like that.

This only further underscores the working theory that the virus has been there for weeks and weeks and that there are hundreds of undiagnosed cases.

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Apparently CDC will not be disclosing any numbers on Americans tested or diagnosed, according to a post in politics forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently CDC will not be disclosing any numbers on Americans tested or diagnosed, according to a post in politics forum.

Color me

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the actual mortality rate potentially much lower than the 2-3% discussed in the media? The death rate being reported is based on the number of diagnosed cases, but presumably there are probably thousands of additional undiagnosed cases where people had no or mild enough symptoms that they never were officially diagnosed.

No, it's higher. You have to compare recovered vs deaths. Currently that's 6%. China tested WAY more than any other country is. I also read that asymptomatic people later did get it too.

Where are you getting the 6% number?? Everything I’m reading seems to give 1% max.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-51674743