Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

The aging population has significant wealth and they will create jobs. You probably need them more than they need you.

Sorry, people who are 65+ aren't the ones making new jobs now.

Um, eldercare is a huge business in this country. Think of all of the retirement communities, healthcare facilities, home healthcare businesses out there and then think about how many jobs would be lost if the elderly population were reduced significantly.

Luckily, even in the elderly population where risk of sever illness from this virus is greatly heightened, most of them are recovering from it. That is good news for all of us.

With unemployment so low I'm sure they can find other jobs.

Point was they aren't "job creators".

If I am hiring you to do my yard care, house work, possibly some home health assistance and transport to/from doctor appts I am most certainly creating jobs. If I put my hard earned money into a long term care community, I am most certainly creating jobs. Eldercare lawyers, estate planning, geriatric physicians, physical therapists, financial advisors, activity directors at retirement centers, oral surgeons, specialists...

I could go on. But if you don't think that older people are using their pensions to create jobs you would be very misinformed.

That's great that you pay someone to mow your lawn every other week, pops.

The real job creators are mid-30s to mid-50s. People who are creating and hiring. The companies who hire people to wipe your bum.

You still have your role in the economy, but it's not "job creator".

If I am hiring you directly to come into my home and be my full time aid, I have directly created a job for you. If retirees suddenly decreased by a big number the demand for certain professions would go way down causing many people to lose their jobs.

You can argue semantics all you want. The bottom line is, that there are many people whose jobs (and income) are heavily reliant on the elderly to exist.

Yes, there are many consumers in eldercare. We still have the last of the boomers to retire over the next 10 years creating even more eldercare consumers. Maybe once the tiny Gen X starts retiring we will need to worry about those jobs.

Unfortunately, if the younger generation doesn't do a better job of caring for themselves, some of them might be sharing the nursing homes with the elderly Gen Xers.

But, getting back to the here and now, having the elderly population suddenly depleted would not be good for our economy at all.

Go pop a Xanax. The elderly population won't be "depleted". Say we lose 10% roughly using the Chinese data. We'd still have 90% of boomers sticking around to complain about everything.

Sadly, the 10% we lose will likely be the ones without "significant wealth" or resources. We're stuck with the old, rich whiners.

Too bad, so sad for you whippersnapper. Now go bring the car around, I got places to go, things to do! Snap! Snap!

Don't you have a bunch of people who "work for you"?

May the odds be ever in your favor, pops.

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The ones that truly tick me off are the ones who are taking advantage of the situation - either trying to spin this politically or trying to get a free vacay out of it. No, it is not in the best interests of our country to completely shut down our economy over what, to most people, will be no more serous than a common cold. It also makes zero sense to make people too afraid to report their symptoms because they don't want their friends/families to be singled out for quarantines.

Minimizing the situation isn't helping anyone either. I don't know why you are assuming that people who think that self-quarantine is a good idea are looking for free vacations. In fact, many people on this site are wondering if they can get permission to telework even if they have kids at home...the opposite of not wanting to do their jobs!

Frankly, I think downplaying the risk is the biggest concern in the US right now. Advising people to take precautions like avoiding unnecessarily going to crowded places is sensible...because the economic impact of that is far lower than the alternative if there is an outbreak leading to much more extreme quarantine measures (like what Italy is currently experiencing). Advising employers to allow telework as much as possible would also be a good, relatively mild intervention. The likelihood is high, at this point, that a lot of people will contract the virus (I've seen 30-70% in the next year). Luckily, most people will be just fine, but a much larger fraction than from the seasonal flu will have severe symptoms. If we can keep the spread at a manageable rate, then our health systems will be able to treat those people. If we pretend like nothing's happening and the rest of the world is, apparently, just stupid and fear-mongering...well, then we can't help all of those people and the economic impact will be far worse than people cautiously deciding not to go to the movies and to Disney World for a few weeks.

Most major tech conferences for the next few months in teh Bay Area have been cancelled. Those conferences are planned over-a-year ahead of time. Companies are going to lose a lot of money by cancelling these conferences, but they've done the risk analysis and decided it was better than risking an outbreak at one of their conferences. If you don't trust foreign governments to understand economic risk, do you trust Facebook? Intel? Workday? (https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-is-forcing-companies-to-cancel-conferences-51583147701)

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Who is trying to get a free vacay out of this? How would that even work?

I'm just trying to get a refund on a vacay I no longer want to take.

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So firs usps got sick and now amazon
They write this peace and post big picture af amazon god, makes you think he got it but it is not about him
Two Amazon employees in Italy have contracted the coronavirus

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^ https://www.businessinsider.com/two-amazon-employees-italy-coronavirus-2020-3

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Can the virus live on mail packages?

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy's new numbers: 2,036 (+335) positive, 52 deaths (+11), 166 in serious/critical condition and 149 recovered

Golly those numbers suck!!

Are all who dying there dying of coronavirus?Are there any deaths that are not it there now? Italy is smaller then california and this is just mostly nothern part, so it feels like every death must be corona, what happened to other ones?

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

+1 your lungs don't grow any bigger when you're obese, but they have to provide oxygen to a lot more cells.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the virus live on mail packages?

No, the virus has an agreement with packages. It skips them. It can leave on paper as much as the next thing for a whike but it sees package and say, okay I will not live here.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

+1 your lungs don't grow any bigger when you're obese, but they have to provide oxygen to a lot more cells.

Good point. I'm the PP who mentioned the 40% of Americans are obese statistic. If obesity is a risk factor, and more Americans are obese than other places, I wonder if this means that more people could have severe symptoms here.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

+1 your lungs don't grow any bigger when you're obese, but they have to provide oxygen to a lot more cells.

Isn't the word fat forbidden here?
Yes big bodied people organs dot get enough oxygen because fat stills a lot of it.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

Obese is such a broad category though. It ranges from a pound above overweight status to my 600 pound life status. While I agree that morbidly obese people (or those close to being morbidly obese) likely are at heightened risk, I don't know that the same thing would hold true for the mildly obese. In fact, it has been shown that the elderly, in particular, are more resilient when they do get sick if they are carrying a bit of excess weight.

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Yeah I don't think obesity is as much of an issue in China or Italy than it is in the U.S.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

If you'd ever heard a fat person wheezing their way up a flight of stairs, then you'd know that being fat causes breathing problems--that's the comorbidity for fat people. Ever heard someone say x sounds like a fat person on the phone or radio? It's because their breathing sounds labored.

+1 your lungs don't grow any bigger when you're obese, but they have to provide oxygen to a lot more cells.

Good point. I'm the PP who mentioned the 40% of Americans are obese statistic. If obesity is a risk factor, and more Americans are obese than other places, I wonder if this means that more people could have severe symptoms here.

Define obese. I have seen people deemed obese on standard height/weight charts but when an actual body comp analysis is done they turn out to have more lean body mass than average and might have a normal fat percentage.

a person who is 31 pounds overweight and technically obese is not the same thing as a person who is 131 pounds overweight - yet they are both labeled obese. If they track the statistics on this they really should make it clear if the patient was mildly obese or morbidly obese. I suspect that mild obesity might be somewhat protective in the case of Coronavirus.