Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

Saying that being older with pre-existing conditions and/or a smoker with damaged lungs makes you more vulnerable to this virus is a fact. It doesn't mean that people don't care. It simply means that a person in ill health is more likely to die when they catch this virus. The same could be said for the flu or any other kind of virus. The poorer your overall health, the greater the risk.

DP. Reread the past page or two.

eh, there are people whose primary interest is in gaining a free holiday over this virus via a "quarantine". They aren't that worried about catching the illness themselves because they know they'll likely recover just fine from it. The truth is, the vast majority of people are more fearful of government overreaction than they are of catching the virus. That should tell us something.

People are cancelling travel plans, not because they are afraid of getting ill but because they don't want to end up in a Diamond Princess type of limbo or under some sort of quarantine observation in a hospital - the medical bills, alone, would be astronomical.

If you make people too afraid to report their symptoms, then people are going to hide their symptoms until they are deathly ill and have no choice but to go to the hospital and by that point they've spread it to how many others?

Those are reasonable points but basically you're saying that you can't be bothered to reread the last page or two, or else you think joking posts about the elderly and smokers dying are really funny?

Or you are just really really bad at quoting.

People making sick jokes about smokers and the elderly dying are not funny to me but those types of jokes aren't exactly unheard of during something like this. Cracking jokes helps to make some people feel less nervous about a serious subject.

The ones that truly tick me off are the ones who are taking advantage of the situation - either trying to spin this politically or trying to get a free vacay out of it. No, it is not in the best interests of our country to completely shut down our economy over what, to most people, will be no more serous than a common cold. It also makes zero sense to make people too afraid to report their symptoms because they don't want their friends/families to be singled out for quarantines.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that covid almost always has a fever. So you don’t need to worry about all those people with runny noses and no fever. Any sort of fever—isolate and sanitize everything. And everyone should start taking their temps more often.

I think the chinese death rates are going down because they have really ramped up testing a LOT. They are now catching all the mild cases whereas before they were only testing the seriously ill.

This is going to be a HUGE challenge for the US to do since we are so behind on test production.

They also quarantined everyone. We are not prepared to do that in the US. We have very different expectations and norms with respect to the government. Authoritarian governments have the ability to do things that our government either cannot or will not do.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

Saying that being older with pre-existing conditions and/or a smoker with damaged lungs makes you more vulnerable to this virus is a fact. It doesn't mean that people don't care. It simply means that a person in ill health is more likely to die when they catch this virus. The same could be said for the flu or any other kind of virus. The poorer your overall health, the greater the risk.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

I guess when you're 25, 60 year olds seem ancient. You'll be 50-60 years old before you know it, and might even have kids still in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone repost the link to the site with the really good global statistics? I lost my bookmark. Thanks.

Global statistics mean nothing. What we need to be looking at is cases vs. deaths vs recoveries in 1st world countries. The “we are not testing” thing actually works to our advantage in that if it’s been here for weeks already (very probable, given China’s lag in reporting it initially and acting), our hospitals should already be overwhelmed with sick and dying.

Furthermore, how many of you realize that US specialists have been at this for well over a month already, that they were already called in and have been very active here and worldwide. I know this because a dear friend has been intimately involved, as a medical specialist, as well as a global pandemic specialist. Why do you think Trump shut down travel from China early on, despite the controversy? The BS about muzzling CDC, etc. is just that.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

I think their response showed the beauty of how, when it wants to, an authoritarian/semi-communist regime can act and act boldly. I’m not joking. But I have a healthy skepticism about the numbers.

Comra

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

Saying that being older with pre-existing conditions and/or a smoker with damaged lungs makes you more vulnerable to this virus is a fact. It doesn't mean that people don't care. It simply means that a person in ill health is more likely to die when they catch this virus. The same could be said for the flu or any other kind of virus. The poorer your overall health, the greater the risk.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

I guess when you're 25, 60 year olds seem ancient. You'll be 50-60 years old before you know it, and might even have kids still in school.

I am in my mid 50's and, yes, I remember how old people in their 50's seemed when I was 25. Now that I'm in my 50's it doesn't seem that old at all. Granted, at my age there is definitely a big difference between "young 50 somethings" and "old 50 somethings". I do my best to keep myself more towards the younger side - eating right, exercising, not letting my weight get too out of control, not smoking. I do still have kids in school. I also still go out bar hopping on occasion, I go to live concerts and otherwise have fun.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

Link?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-toll/wuhan-closes-makeshift-hospital-as-new-coronavirus-cases-in-china-drop-sharply-idUSKBN20P01K

This says it closed 1 of the 16 temporary hospitals.

Nothing about resuming production.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

The aging population has significant wealth and they will create jobs. You probably need them more than they need you.

Sorry, people who are 65+ aren't the ones making new jobs now.

Um, eldercare is a huge business in this country. Think of all of the retirement communities, healthcare facilities, home healthcare businesses out there and then think about how many jobs would be lost if the elderly population were reduced significantly.

Luckily, even in the elderly population where risk of sever illness from this virus is greatly heightened, most of them are recovering from it. That is good news for all of us.

With unemployment so low I'm sure they can find other jobs.

Point was they aren't "job creators".

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How long have Chinese schools been shut down?

Was it just in the worst affected provinces or countrywide?

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And now that China seems to have cases slowing down are they making plans to reopen schools?

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China already shutting down its CV hospital now that it looks like it is under control.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-toll/chinas-wuhan-closes-coronavirus-hospital-as-officials-hail-drop-in-new-cases-idUSKBN20P01K

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Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

The aging population has significant wealth and they will create jobs. You probably need them more than they need you.

Sorry, people who are 65+ aren't the ones making new jobs now.

Um, eldercare is a huge business in this country. Think of all of the retirement communities, healthcare facilities, home healthcare businesses out there and then think about how many jobs would be lost if the elderly population were reduced significantly.

Luckily, even in the elderly population where risk of sever illness from this virus is greatly heightened, most of them are recovering from it. That is good news for all of us.

With unemployment so low I'm sure they can find other jobs.

Point was they aren't "job creators".

And their healthcare costs are $$$$$ even in ordinary circumstances

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The first country has banned US citizens from entry.

Tajikistan.

The US are one of 35 countries on its list.

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Anonymous wrote:
I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

My husband is 62 and we have to young children in elementary school. He has an underlying medical condition. I’m very worried.

Saying that being older with pre-existing conditions and/or a smoker with damaged lungs makes you more vulnerable to this virus is a fact. It doesn't mean that people don't care. It simply means that a person in ill health is more likely to die when they catch this virus. The same could be said for the flu or any other kind of virus. The poorer your overall health, the greater the risk.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

I guess when you're 25, 60 year olds seem ancient. You'll be 50-60 years old before you know it, and might even have kids still in school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

The aging population has significant wealth and they will create jobs. You probably need them more than they need you.

Sorry, people who are 65+ aren't the ones making new jobs now.

Um, eldercare is a huge business in this country. Think of all of the retirement communities, healthcare facilities, home healthcare businesses out there and then think about how many jobs would be lost if the elderly population were reduced significantly.

Luckily, even in the elderly population where risk of sever illness from this virus is greatly heightened, most of them are recovering from it. That is good news for all of us.

With unemployment so low I'm sure they can find other jobs.

Point was they aren't "job creators".

Who here actually works for a “job creator”?