Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

No, they can't withstand the economic pain forever. When they get people back to work, the spread will accelerate again. As long as they keep it at a point where new patients needing critical care match the numbers leaving critical care then they're fine.

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This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

Yeah, I hear "it's just elderly" a lot and someone call the virus a "boomer slayer".

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

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This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

Yeah, I hear "it's just elderly" a lot and someone call the virus a "boomer slayer".

I haven't heard "boomer slayer" but it's kind of funny - I'm sure they were joking. I don't know about you but I don't want my boomer family members dying!

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Anonymous wrote:Italy exports cases to two more countries--Portugal and Andorra, both with their first cases. This brings export countries to about 33.

Moscow also reporting its first case--Russia has not reported any new cases beyond their original 2 weeks ago. No details, but could also be related to Italy.

India also was stuck at three cases from a while ago. It now has two cases, one imported from Italy and another from the UAE. Spread to India could be a big deal considering all the back office it supplies for companies everywhere.

Moscow case also a traveler from Italy.

Jordan also reports its first case, Italy related.

This should make around 36 countries where the virus has been exported from Italy.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

No, they can't withstand the economic pain forever. When they get people back to work, the spread will accelerate again. As long as they keep it at a point where new patients needing critical care match the numbers leaving critical care then they're fine.

We couldn't withstand that for a week let alone 6-8 weeks.

But our economies of saving and spending are nearly total opposites. And they rely on us just as much as we rely on them, though it is little acknowledged.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.

The fact is Americans as a whole are not very healthy compared to other nations. Look at the obesity rate alone. Those with comorbidities are unfortunately at a much higher risk.

Oddly enough I have yet to see a statistic saying that obese people are more likely to die from this. I don't know that obesity, alone, has been observed to be a heightened risk factor in and of itself.

I was thinking the same when I saw the PP. 40% of Americans are considered obese--yes, 40%--I don't think that many people would be at increased risk if otherwise healthy.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about the positive news that China is closing the make shift hospitals and resuming production?

Is it really over in China?

No, they can't withstand the economic pain forever. When they get people back to work, the spread will accelerate again. As long as they keep it at a point where new patients needing critical care match the numbers leaving critical care then they're fine.

We couldn't withstand that for a week let alone 6-8 weeks.

But our economies of saving and spending are nearly total opposites. And they rely on us just as much as we rely on them, though it is little acknowledged.

I don't disagree. That's why I think they're going to let it spread across the country like wildfire. Most American's cannot afford to miss work or go to the doctor. I'm reminded of this article I read last year.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/20/heres-why-so-many-americans-cant-handle-a-400-unexpected-expense.html

Unless they manage (by some miracle) to contain it, it's going to spread across the nation until it burns itself out. I don't believe there will be no mass quarantines.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

The aging population has significant wealth and they will create jobs. You probably need them more than they need you.

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The fact that the US has short supply of medical masks shows how panicked Americans are.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy exports cases to two more countries--Portugal and Andorra, both with their first cases. This brings export countries to about 33.

Moscow also reporting its first case--Russia has not reported any new cases beyond their original 2 weeks ago. No details, but could also be related to Italy.

India also was stuck at three cases from a while ago. It now has two cases, one imported from Italy and another from the UAE. Spread to India could be a big deal considering all the back office it supplies for companies everywhere.

Moscow case also a traveler from Italy.

Jordan also reports its first case, Italy related.

This should make around 36 countries where the virus has been exported from Italy.

Everybody wants to go to Italy. Bring back wine and CV.

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Remember that covid almost always has a fever. So you don’t need to worry about all those people with runny noses and no fever. Any sort of fever—isolate and sanitize everything. And everyone should start taking their temps more often.

I think the chinese death rates are going down because they have really ramped up testing a LOT. They are now catching all the mild cases whereas before they were only testing the seriously ill.