Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t we buy tests from China like we buy everything else?

We probably did the first tiime around and now we know better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly what scares me most are subways right now.

Why? Curious.

For the most people it is clowns.

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I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm over 60 in average health. WHO warned this weekend that people over 60 should
"Try to avoid crowded areas, or places where you might interact with people who are sick."

That's really hard to implement preemptively since I have grandchildren who are always sick and, frankly, anyone could be an asymptomatic carrier of COVID-19. I think some people are just doomed. I guess I'll wait until they admit the first case in our area and then go into hiding.

Seriously, can you not avoid your grandchildren for just a few weeks?

My MIL is planning on going on a tour of Italy and then coming back and playing with my kids the next day. Yeah, no.

Not if you say no thank you, lets see you i m two weeks.

[Anonymous]

Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.

But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.

1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

If you’re just looking at numbers of confirmed cases vs number of dead, that’s woefully inadequate. Do you have any basis for your assertion?

Please do keep in mind that people die in the advanced stages of the illness. It take 2-3 weeks from when they’re infected to tell if they’ll survive. I’m sure the long term care facility will have more patients die in the next week(s).

Background?

I asked what basis you have for your assertion. You have none?

Feel free to look up the illness stage of hospitalization and need for advanced supportive care. There’s study data on it. It sounds like you would prefer to stick your head in the sand.

I can help OP...

How long do symptoms last?
Using available preliminary data, the Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission published on Feb. 28 by WHO, [5] which is based on 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases, observed the following median time from symptoms onset to clinical recovery:

mild cases: approximately 2 weeks
severe or critical disease: 3 - 6 weeks
time from onset to the development of severe disease (including hypoxia): 1 week
Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from 2 - 8 weeks.

Below we list the symptoms, with percentages representing the proportion of patients displaying that symptom, as observed in hospitalized patients tested and identified as having laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection. These findings refer to hospitalized patients, therefore generally representing serious or critical cases. The majority of cases of COVID-19 (about 80%) is mild.

Common symptoms included:
(Wang et al study) [2]
Fever
98.6%
Fatigue
69.6%
Dry cough
59.4%

The median time observed:

from first symptom to ? Dyspnea (Shortness of breath) = 5.0 days
from first symptom to ? Hospital admission = 7.0 days
from first symptom to ? ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) = 8.0 days (when occurring)

Examples of possible development of symptoms (from actual cases)
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: malaise and muscle pain
later diagnosed with pneumonia
A man in his 60s in Japan:

Day #1: initial symptoms of low-grade fever and sore throat.
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: chills, sweating and malaise
Day #4: fever, muscle pain and cough
A woman in her 70s, in Japan:

Day #1: 38° fever for a few minutes
Day #2-3: went on a bus tour
Day #5: visited a medical institution
Day #6: showed symptoms of pneumonia.
A woman in her 40s, in Japan:

Day #1: low-grade fever
Day #2: 38° fever
Day #6: being treated at home.
A man in his 60s, in Japan:

Day #1: Cold
Day #6: Fever of 39° C. (102.2 F)
Day #8: Pneumonia
Another patient, in China with a history of type 2 diabetes and hypertension:

Jan. 22: Fever and cough
Feb. 5: Died
First death in the Philippines (a 44-year-old Chinese thought to have had other pre-existing health conditions):

Jan. 25: Fever, cough, and sore throat (hospitalized)
Developed severe pneumonia
Feb. 2: Died

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.

But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.

1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

If you’re just looking at numbers of confirmed cases vs number of dead, that’s woefully inadequate. Do you have any basis for your assertion?

Please do keep in mind that people die in the advanced stages of the illness. It take 2-3 weeks from when they’re infected to tell if they’ll survive. I’m sure the long term care facility will have more patients die in the next week(s).

Background?

I asked what basis you have for your assertion. You have none?

Feel free to look up the illness stage of hospitalization and need for advanced supportive care. There’s study data on it. It sounds like you would prefer to stick your head in the sand.

I can help OP...

How long do symptoms last?
Using available preliminary data, the Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission published on Feb. 28 by WHO, [5] which is based on 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases, observed the following median time from symptoms onset to clinical recovery:

mild cases: approximately 2 weeks
severe or critical disease: 3 - 6 weeks
time from onset to the development of severe disease (including hypoxia): 1 week
Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from 2 - 8 weeks.

Below we list the symptoms, with percentages representing the proportion of patients displaying that symptom, as observed in hospitalized patients tested and identified as having laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection. These findings refer to hospitalized patients, therefore generally representing serious or critical cases. The majority of cases of COVID-19 (about 80%) is mild.

Common symptoms included:
(Wang et al study) [2]
Fever
98.6%
Fatigue
69.6%
Dry cough
59.4%

The median time observed:

from first symptom to ? Dyspnea (Shortness of breath) = 5.0 days
from first symptom to ? Hospital admission = 7.0 days
from first symptom to ? ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) = 8.0 days (when occurring)

Examples of possible development of symptoms (from actual cases)
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: malaise and muscle pain
later diagnosed with pneumonia
A man in his 60s in Japan:

Day #1: initial symptoms of low-grade fever and sore throat.
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: chills, sweating and malaise
Day #4: fever, muscle pain and cough
A woman in her 70s, in Japan:

Day #1: 38° fever for a few minutes
Day #2-3: went on a bus tour
Day #5: visited a medical institution
Day #6: showed symptoms of pneumonia.
A woman in her 40s, in Japan:

Day #1: low-grade fever
Day #2: 38° fever
Day #6: being treated at home.
A man in his 60s, in Japan:

Day #1: Cold
Day #6: Fever of 39° C. (102.2 F)
Day #8: Pneumonia
Another patient, in China with a history of type 2 diabetes and hypertension:

Jan. 22: Fever and cough
Feb. 5: Died
First death in the Philippines (a 44-year-old Chinese thought to have had other pre-existing health conditions):

Jan. 25: Fever, cough, and sore throat (hospitalized)
Developed severe pneumonia
Feb. 2: Died

Thought so

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.

But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.

1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

If you’re just looking at numbers of confirmed cases vs number of dead, that’s woefully inadequate. Do you have any basis for your assertion?

Please do keep in mind that people die in the advanced stages of the illness. It take 2-3 weeks from when they’re infected to tell if they’ll survive. I’m sure the long term care facility will have more patients die in the next week(s).

Background?

I asked what basis you have for your assertion. You have none?

Feel free to look up the illness stage of hospitalization and need for advanced supportive care. There’s study data on it. It sounds like you would prefer to stick your head in the sand.

I can help OP...

How long do symptoms last?
Using available preliminary data, the Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission published on Feb. 28 by WHO, [5] which is based on 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases, observed the following median time from symptoms onset to clinical recovery:

mild cases: approximately 2 weeks
severe or critical disease: 3 - 6 weeks
time from onset to the development of severe disease (including hypoxia): 1 week
Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from 2 - 8 weeks.

Below we list the symptoms, with percentages representing the proportion of patients displaying that symptom, as observed in hospitalized patients tested and identified as having laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection. These findings refer to hospitalized patients, therefore generally representing serious or critical cases. The majority of cases of COVID-19 (about 80%) is mild.

Common symptoms included:
(Wang et al study) [2]
Fever
98.6%
Fatigue
69.6%
Dry cough
59.4%

The median time observed:

from first symptom to ? Dyspnea (Shortness of breath) = 5.0 days
from first symptom to ? Hospital admission = 7.0 days
from first symptom to ? ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) = 8.0 days (when occurring)

Examples of possible development of symptoms (from actual cases)
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: malaise and muscle pain
later diagnosed with pneumonia
A man in his 60s in Japan:

Day #1: initial symptoms of low-grade fever and sore throat.
A man in his 40s in Japan:

Day #1: chills, sweating and malaise
Day #4: fever, muscle pain and cough
A woman in her 70s, in Japan:

Day #1: 38° fever for a few minutes
Day #2-3: went on a bus tour
Day #5: visited a medical institution
Day #6: showed symptoms of pneumonia.
A woman in her 40s, in Japan:

Day #1: low-grade fever
Day #2: 38° fever
Day #6: being treated at home.
A man in his 60s, in Japan:

Day #1: Cold
Day #6: Fever of 39° C. (102.2 F)
Day #8: Pneumonia
Another patient, in China with a history of type 2 diabetes and hypertension:

Jan. 22: Fever and cough
Feb. 5: Died
First death in the Philippines (a 44-year-old Chinese thought to have had other pre-existing health conditions):

Jan. 25: Fever, cough, and sore throat (hospitalized)
Developed severe pneumonia
Feb. 2: Died

Thought so

No one commented about smokers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well...we do have a much larger aging population than we can adequately care for in coming years.

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Taking care of them is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

Smokers know that smoking will kill them, so it's not like they weren't expecting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

Smokers know that smoking will kill them, so it's not like they weren't expecting it.

The elderly know that getting old will kill them, it's not like they weren't expecting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm over 60 in average health. WHO warned this weekend that people over 60 should
"Try to avoid crowded areas, or places where you might interact with people who are sick."

That's really hard to implement preemptively since I have grandchildren who are always sick and, frankly, anyone could be an asymptomatic carrier of COVID-19. I think some people are just doomed. I guess I'll wait until they admit the first case in our area and then go into hiding.

Seriously, can you not avoid your grandchildren for just a few weeks?

My MIL is planning on going on a tour of Italy and then coming back and playing with my kids the next day. Yeah, no.

In case you missed it above, two cases in RI, both had traveled to Italy as part of a school trip and that school is now shut down.

[Anonymous]

Does this means the person who traveled from China is patient zero in the Washington state area?

The researchers conducted genetic sequencing of two virus samples. One is from a patient who traveled from China to Snohomish County in mid-January and was the first person diagnosed with the disease in the United States. The other came from a recently diagnosed patient in the same county, a high school student with no travel-related or other known exposure to the coronavirus. The two samples look almost identical genetically, said Trevor Bedford, a computational biologist at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle who announced the results of the research on Twitter late Saturday night.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-may-have-spread-undetected-for-weeks-in-washington-state-which-reported-first-two-deaths-in-us/ar-BB10BIr0?li=BBnb7Kz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't help but wonder if many cases with flu-like symptoms are actually Coronavirus that are not diagnosed since they are not testing for it.


But also curious if it is here and there is no major commotion at any place so either it is here and lots of vry mild cases or few mild and very few serious that do not differ much from usual cases of tough flu or pneumonia with the same outcome rate.
1% death rate here, very possibly less, as new cases in China death rates are about .7%

This is good news if the death rate is going down in China. It could mean that they are finding better ways to treat people. Do you have a link for this? This news would really be good.

I hope it’s real

I think the death rate is going down because the most vulnerable have already died.

This thread makes it sound like we don’t care about elderly and smokers.

It's not just the elderly and smokers - it's everyone who has comorbidities. That's about 100 million Americans who have lung disease, cancer, heart failure, cerebrovascular disease, renal disease, liver disease, diabetes, immunocompromising conditions and/or are obese. All of those people have a chance of developing severe disease.