2023 Girls Recruiting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DIII commitments expected this week for NESCAC, and I curious about the academic requirements for these players. From conversations this weekend, there seems to be more more academic scrutiny for these players than top academic DI schools, where many players are being allowed to go test optional as part of the 2023 class.

Even at test optional NESCAC and other academically-selective Dlll schools, coaches often ask for test scores to be included in the pre-read package.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t understand why you can’t ask your recruiting director or high school coach. It is ridiculous you can’t. Name the school or program because they shouldn’t be helping players if they can’t help you. Ridiculous[/quote]

I really can't, it would be too much information. The fact is, we have been on our own this whole process, the club coach made a few calls in the fall, which was helpful, but the high school coach was clear that there is nothing they can do, because they don't know anybody. We don't know what we're doing.[/quote]

I've had three kids go through the recruiting process -- 2 swimmers and 1 lacrosse player. Lacrosse recruiting was bizarre and Byzantine compared to swimming, which is quite straightforward. It was shocking to me to hear of lacrosse coaches who would just ghost kids. That is pathetic, but it happens. I would reach out in an email with a polite, but direct tone, asking for a dispositive answer from the coach who told your kid they were the #1 recruit. As far as a PG year, before you go down that road, I would encourage you to talk with your child about other D3 schools. There are some strong programs outside of NESCAC, including at schools that offer great academic opportunities, but that are not as selective in admissions.

[Anonymous]

Again as I always say, college coaches after being one tend to look at both club and high school programs. There are many high school coaches in the area who have good relationships with college coaches and if they don’t they know who to call to at-least get information. Your recruiting director can easily send a text to find out information. Some schools get the preread and depending on the admission office sometimes that doesn’t come back until after the Fourth of July. Between 5th-7th some coaches hear back at some of the schools, if there has been change over in the staff that can affect the process. With regards to PG that would be discussion with your recruiting director. My thoughts there are some very knowledgeable people who live in the area whom college coaches know and respect, I would engage with someone in the community perhaps another high school coach etc. I am sorry your club program isn’t helping you navigate this time.

[Anonymous]

Any updates to summary of Capital, Pride, Metro and MC Elite commits?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t take that advice last thing you want to be like is aggressive that is a red flag. Talk to your coach and recruiting director they should know if they are not honest than that is a major major red flag for the program. College coaches have a lack of respect for certain people in this community and speak volumes about the aggressive nature of one in particular. [/quote]

Disagree. I would wait til 7/5 and then ask where I am on their recruiting chart. If you can’t get a straight answer, drop the school from consideration. [/quote]

Thanks for all this advice. I just can't believe the coach would have said, repeatedly, you are our number one recruit, if they didn't mean it. I know where she is on the chart and I believe she really is at the top. I am pretty sure she didn't pass the pre-read and coach just doesn't want to tell her. I just wish she would have so she could get it over with and move on with her life. It probably means dropping the sport. She has one other offer from a decent school, but not one she would go to without the sport. She just didn't cast her net that wide. Moved very far down the road with two D1s, lost her first choice last fall becauser of freshman year grades, and the second one, the final spot came down to her and one other player and she lost. It's just been so frustrating and such a roller coaster. But she loves this NESCAC, was told she was THE one, so she wasn't that worried, except for the grades. Looks like this one is a no, too, though and she is devastated. We are thinking about a PG year and reaching back out to coaches who were obviously so interested in her to see if another year of academics would help. Thanks again![/quote]

If they are really a top target, give the coach time to figure it out. Sometimes it takes a while, maybe they need more feedback on what you will need to do to qualify, etc. They will likely try to find a way. [/quote]

Thanks again to everybody for the advice here. I thought I'd pop back in with an update. Unfortunately, my instinct was correct, coach didn't call because she just felt too badly to deliver the news. They spoke this morning and coach said she was absolutely the player she wanted the most but that not even her slot would be enough to get her in. She works so hard and is a solid student at her extremely rigorous private, but a B student just isn't strong enough for this school. She's devastated, and I'm feeling very sad for her, but hopefully she'll be happy where she lands. She does have one offer right now from a Centennial league school which I think would be a nice option. Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

Immature coach to think she would rather hear nothing than to just be honest. I hope it's not a coach that my DD is considering!!

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t take that advice last thing you want to be like is aggressive that is a red flag. Talk to your coach and recruiting director they should know if they are not honest than that is a major major red flag for the program. College coaches have a lack of respect for certain people in this community and speak volumes about the aggressive nature of one in particular. [/quote]

Disagree. I would wait til 7/5 and then ask where I am on their recruiting chart. If you can’t get a straight answer, drop the school from consideration. [/quote]

Thanks for all this advice. I just can't believe the coach would have said, repeatedly, you are our number one recruit, if they didn't mean it. I know where she is on the chart and I believe she really is at the top. I am pretty sure she didn't pass the pre-read and coach just doesn't want to tell her. I just wish she would have so she could get it over with and move on with her life. It probably means dropping the sport. She has one other offer from a decent school, but not one she would go to without the sport. She just didn't cast her net that wide. Moved very far down the road with two D1s, lost her first choice last fall becauser of freshman year grades, and the second one, the final spot came down to her and one other player and she lost. It's just been so frustrating and such a roller coaster. But she loves this NESCAC, was told she was THE one, so she wasn't that worried, except for the grades. Looks like this one is a no, too, though and she is devastated. We are thinking about a PG year and reaching back out to coaches who were obviously so interested in her to see if another year of academics would help. Thanks again![/quote]

If they are really a top target, give the coach time to figure it out. Sometimes it takes a while, maybe they need more feedback on what you will need to do to qualify, etc. They will likely try to find a way. [/quote]

Thanks again to everybody for the advice here. I thought I'd pop back in with an update. Unfortunately, my instinct was correct, coach didn't call because she just felt too badly to deliver the news. They spoke this morning and coach said she was absolutely the player she wanted the most but that not even her slot would be enough to get her in. She works so hard and is a solid student at her extremely rigorous private, but a B student just isn't strong enough for this school. She's devastated, and I'm feeling very sad for her, but hopefully she'll be happy where she lands. She does have one offer right now from a Centennial league school which I think would be a nice option. Thanks again. [/quote]

Sad to hear. Hopefully your daughter finds a good fit in the classroom and the field.

I wouldn't be too upset about the delay from the coach. Often, coaches will appeal decisions to admissions that they disagree with.

My bigger issue would have been if the coach knew up front that her chance of admission were slight. Reality is that most NESCAC schools use some version of Academic Index (SAT scores and unweighted GPA). Most coaches know up front who can and can't get admitted. From experience, I can tell you that if she was looking at Middlebury, Amherst or Wesleyan, there would be no way in hell someone with a B average gets admitted unless she had 1600 on her SATs and significant academic research).

[Anonymous]

per my previous post, here is a link to an academic index calculator.

As a general rule as a recruited athlete for NESCAC, you need to get at least 205 for a top slotted athlete and at least 210 for anything with an athletic slot.*

(For Ivies, the class usually need to average around 205, depending on sport)


Note: for underrepresented groups, this number can be a bit lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:per my previous post, here is a link to an academic index calculator.

As a general rule as a recruited athlete for NESCAC, you need to get at least 205 for a top slotted athlete and at least 210 for anything with an athletic slot.*

(For Ivies, the class usually need to average around 205, depending on sport)


Note: for underrepresented groups, this number can be a bit lower.

I wish I hadn't googled the calculator. She was a top slotted athlete with a 202. So close. But let's put it this way, it wasn't Amherst, Williams, or Wesleyan, but it also wasn't Conn or Trinity, nor Tufts. It's so frustrating, because if her ACT were just a point higher, she would have been at 205. They said there's no way, so I guess they didn't believe she could get there. I am still very surprised. What a bummer.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t take that advice last thing you want to be like is aggressive that is a red flag. Talk to your coach and recruiting director they should know if they are not honest than that is a major major red flag for the program. College coaches have a lack of respect for certain people in this community and speak volumes about the aggressive nature of one in particular. [/quote]

Disagree. I would wait til 7/5 and then ask where I am on their recruiting chart. If you can’t get a straight answer, drop the school from consideration. [/quote]

Thanks for all this advice. I just can't believe the coach would have said, repeatedly, you are our number one recruit, if they didn't mean it. I know where she is on the chart and I believe she really is at the top. I am pretty sure she didn't pass the pre-read and coach just doesn't want to tell her. I just wish she would have so she could get it over with and move on with her life. It probably means dropping the sport. She has one other offer from a decent school, but not one she would go to without the sport. She just didn't cast her net that wide. Moved very far down the road with two D1s, lost her first choice last fall becauser of freshman year grades, and the second one, the final spot came down to her and one other player and she lost. It's just been so frustrating and such a roller coaster. But she loves this NESCAC, was told she was THE one, so she wasn't that worried, except for the grades. Looks like this one is a no, too, though and she is devastated. We are thinking about a PG year and reaching back out to coaches who were obviously so interested in her to see if another year of academics would help. Thanks again![/quote]

If they are really a top target, give the coach time to figure it out. Sometimes it takes a while, maybe they need more feedback on what you will need to do to qualify, etc. They will likely try to find a way. [/quote]

Thanks again to everybody for the advice here. I thought I'd pop back in with an update. Unfortunately, my instinct was correct, coach didn't call because she just felt too badly to deliver the news. They spoke this morning and coach said she was absolutely the player she wanted the most but that not even her slot would be enough to get her in. She works so hard and is a solid student at her extremely rigorous private, but a B student just isn't strong enough for this school. She's devastated, and I'm feeling very sad for her, but hopefully she'll be happy where she lands. She does have one offer right now from a Centennial league school which I think would be a nice option. Thanks again. [/quote]

Sad to hear. Hopefully your daughter finds a good fit in the classroom and the field.

I wouldn't be too upset about the delay from the coach. Often, coaches will appeal decisions to admissions that they disagree with.

My bigger issue would have been if the coach knew up front that her chance of admission were slight. Reality is that most NESCAC schools use some version of Academic Index (SAT scores and unweighted GPA). Most coaches know up front who can and can't get admitted. From experience, I can tell you that if she was looking at Middlebury, Amherst or Wesleyan, there would be no way in hell someone with a B average gets admitted unless she had 1600 on her SATs and significant academic research). [/quote]

I will say this, a B student from a Big 3--according to the coach--is considered like an A student from many of the publics. This is what the coach told her. With that said, it wasn't one of those three.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:per my previous post, here is a link to an academic index calculator.

As a general rule as a recruited athlete for NESCAC, you need to get at least 205 for a top slotted athlete and at least 210 for anything with an athletic slot.*

(For Ivies, the class usually need to average around 205, depending on sport)


Note: for underrepresented groups, this number can be a bit lower.

I wish I hadn't googled the calculator. She was a top slotted athlete with a 202. So close. But let's put it this way, it wasn't Amherst, Williams, or Wesleyan, but it also wasn't Conn or Trinity, nor Tufts. It's so frustrating, because if her ACT were just a point higher, she would have been at 205. They said there's no way, so I guess they didn't believe she could get there. I am still very surprised. What a bummer.

Total bummer. For something that close, this is on the coach. He or she should have told her to take ACT again.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]

I will say this, a B student from a Big 3--according to the coach--is considered like an A student from many of the publics. This is what the coach told her. With that said, it wasn't one of those three. [/quote]

That is definitely true in regular admissions. Not so much in athletic admissions slots. They are trying to check boxes and a high unweighted GPA is what you need regardless of what school it is from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:per my previous post, here is a link to an academic index calculator.

As a general rule as a recruited athlete for NESCAC, you need to get at least 205 for a top slotted athlete and at least 210 for anything with an athletic slot.*

(For Ivies, the class usually need to average around 205, depending on sport)


Note: for underrepresented groups, this number can be a bit lower.

I wish I hadn't googled the calculator. She was a top slotted athlete with a 202. So close. But let's put it this way, it wasn't Amherst, Williams, or Wesleyan, but it also wasn't Conn or Trinity, nor Tufts. It's so frustrating, because if her ACT were just a point higher, she would have been at 205. They said there's no way, so I guess they didn't believe she could get there. I am still very surprised. What a bummer.

That totally sucks! I'm so very sorry. Shame on that coach. OP, the right school is going to be fortunate to land your DD.

[Anonymous]

VA Metro has another D1.

[Anonymous]

Also heard Pride has a couple NESCAC commits.