Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

Hey guys!
It doesn’t f*cking matter, because even Pat Robertson knows the bill is a dog and hasn’t a hope in hell of overturning Roe V. wade.
It’s so bad the court will definitely not take it up.
But do go, pro birthers! It’s fascinating reading your take away from the culture wars.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread confirms that anti-choice is about punishing women for not conforming to rules about sex.

Absolutely it is!

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Antiquated, misogynistic rules about sex.

About sex, about the role of women in the 21st century, about equality and society. the whole thing is medieval.

Which is apparently the goal of MAGA.

Netflix is replacing sex among the middle class. We are on the same track as Japan save for immigration. We are becoming a country of anchor babies

So you want to FORCE people to have babies they cannot afford or do not want? That doesn't sound like a better option.

Not at all. And nothing in my comment implied that. I think we should have more abortions because we will not have a lathe enough working population to pay for the consequences of having babies that should have been aborted. The middle class work. Anchor babies work. Kids who should have been aborted create only social welfare costs and contribute nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t support the ban, but reading #youknowme —maybe people ought to consider having less sex with strangers? For every one person on there saying it was rape or a fetus with medical issues, there’s 50 saying — well I barely knew the guy . . . Uh maybe then he keeps it in his pants and you keep your underwear on?!

How about asking a woman who was the victim of one of the 1,928 rapes in Alabama last year if she ought to consider having less sex with strangers.
https://www.alea.gov/sites/default/files/inline-files/2017%20CIA.pdf

There’s a 5% likelihood that she’ll become pregnant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

Do you think those 1928 rapes were all committed by strangers? Rape stats show that half if women knew their attackers.
Don’t use stats stupidly. They do not further your point.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE WOMEN KNEW THEIR ATTACKERS, THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM.

Or maybe they did and then cried rape. Lotsa women make bad choices and then push responsibility on to another.

What about the man's bad choice? what should his consequences be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are lilberals against
Adoptions?

Why do conservatives think women should be forced to risk their lives and have their bodies altered forever to birth a child they don't want to bear?

No pregnancy has a 100% chance of not threatening a woman's life. Even the healthiest pregnancy can go sour unexpectedly at the last minute (this I know first hand - a friend of mine from high school died in labor, at the age of 27). And that is why the state doesn't get to tell a woman she has to undergo a 9 month long process that has a chance of harming her health. Pregnancy changes women's bodies forever. The state doesn't have that authority to force a woman to do something against her will that will have such an impact on her body.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

Of course! “Let’s take these two people who aren’t even responsible enough to use birth control and force them to be parents!”

Glad to see that you're admitting they're not being responsible.

Yes, let's recap these basic, unchangeable facts:

1. People aren't responsible.
2. People have sex.
3. Men ejaculate irresponsibly.
4. Women have unintended pregnancies.
5. Women will end unintended pregnancies.

NOTHING you say or do or legislate will change these basic facts.

So the grown-ups have acknowledge all of these facts and have figured out the best solution for society:
1. Provide sex education.
2. Make contraceptives (esp LARCs) free and easily accessible.
3. Make abortion safe and legal.

This reduces the number of unintended pregnancies and unwanted children.

Once again, the omission of the importance of teaching values and responsible behavior to our young people. Why isn't it included in your list?

Whose values? Do I get to choose the values being taught?

"No means no" would be on the top of the list.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t support the ban, but reading #youknowme —maybe people ought to consider having less sex with strangers? For every one person on there saying it was rape or a fetus with medical issues, there’s 50 saying — well I barely knew the guy . . . Uh maybe then he keeps it in his pants and you keep your underwear on?!

How about asking a woman who was the victim of one of the 1,928 rapes in Alabama last year if she ought to consider having less sex with strangers.
https://www.alea.gov/sites/default/files/inline-files/2017%20CIA.pdf

There’s a 5% likelihood that she’ll become pregnant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

Do you think those 1928 rapes were all committed by strangers? Rape stats show that half if women knew their attackers.
Don’t use stats stupidly. They do not further your point.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE WOMEN KNEW THEIR ATTACKERS, THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM.

Or maybe they did and then cried rape. Lotsa women make bad choices and then push responsibility on to another.

What about the man's bad choice? what should his consequences be?

ALL unwanted pregnancies are the result of irresponsible ejaculation. All are 100% the fault of men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

If women own their bodies, they should value them more.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

No. But I also think we've gone way too far in the direction of too many women not wanting to act in a responsible manner. It's the children who suffer, one way or another.

Not the men? Just the women? You're a misogynistic asshole of the highest order.

DP. It is you who has the misogynistic viewpoint that women cannot take control of their bodies.

Women can't take control of their bodies any more or less than men can.

Sex doesn't cause pregnancy. Ejaculation causes pregnancy. Every unwanted pregnancy is the result of a man irresponsibly ejaculating. 100% on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

No. But I also think we've gone way too far in the direction of too many women not wanting to act in a responsible manner. It's the children who suffer, one way or another.

Not the men? Just the women? You're a misogynistic asshole of the highest order.

DP. It is you who has the misogynistic viewpoint that women cannot take control of their bodies.

Women can't take control of their bodies any more or less than men can.

Sex doesn't cause pregnancy. Ejaculation causes pregnancy. Every unwanted pregnancy is the result of a man irresponsibly ejaculating. 100% on them.

Ejaculation does not cause pregnancy. Men ejaculate constantly and nobody gets pregnant.

Sex causes pregnancy.

Here we are in lala liberal land- where it’s perfectly acceptable to state a man is solely responsible for pregnancy.

It’s so delusional. No wonder women can’t take responsibility- they are deemed as completely removed from pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

If women own their bodies, they should value them more.

Women obviously own our bodies, but not our kids' bodies.

I don't own my DD's body, as much as she grew up inside me.

Signed,

Someone who would happily accept a European-style compromise as the lesser of 2 evils. Easy access to abortion during the first trimester, very restricted afterwards.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

THANK YOU! 4000 "children" died! Who went to jail? Where were the prayer vigils?! You're a bunch of hypocrites.

Were they fertilizedembryos or eggs similar to those shed during a menstrual cycle?

As the article clearly states: eggs AND embryo. It is redundant to say fertilized embryo. An embryo is by definition a fertilized egg.

So going back to PP query - who goes to jail for manslaughter of all those people?


if it's an embryo it's fertilized.

(PP is yet another example of why we need better sex ed in the u.s.!!)

No we really need better reading comprehension education. I specifically asked if they were fertilized embryos or eggs. I had read elsewhere that they were frozen eggs rather than frozen embryos.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

No. But I also think we've gone way too far in the direction of too many women not wanting to act in a responsible manner. It's the children who suffer, one way or another.

Not the men? Just the women? You're a misogynistic asshole of the highest order.

DP. It is you who has the misogynistic viewpoint that women cannot take control of their bodies.

Women can't take control of their bodies any more or less than men can.

Sex doesn't cause pregnancy. Ejaculation causes pregnancy. Every unwanted pregnancy is the result of a man irresponsibly ejaculating. 100% on them.

Ejaculation does not cause pregnancy. Men ejaculate constantly and nobody gets pregnant.

Sex causes pregnancy.

Here we are in lala liberal land- where it’s perfectly acceptable to state a man is solely responsible for pregnancy.

It’s so delusional. No wonder women can’t take responsibility- they are deemed as completely removed from pregnancy.

The sex act alone does not cause pregnancy. It only happens with the male orgasm/ejaculation depositing sperm in the women’s vagina.

Don’t ejaculate irresponsibly and no more unwanted pregnancies. Take responsibility for your actions, men. It’s all on you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

If women own their bodies, they should value them more.

Women obviously own our bodies, but not our kids' bodies.

I don't own my DD's body, as much as she grew up inside me.

Signed,

Someone who would happily accept a European-style compromise as the lesser of 2 evils. Easy access to abortion during the first trimester, very restricted afterwards.

Newsalert: it IS difficult to get an abortion after 20w.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

If women own their bodies, they should value them more.

Women obviously own our bodies, but not our kids' bodies.

I don't own my DD's body, as much as she grew up inside me.

Signed,

Someone who would happily accept a European-style compromise as the lesser of 2 evils. Easy access to abortion during the first trimester, very restricted afterwards.

Newsalert: it IS difficult to get an abortion after 20w.

They don’t know the science.
They don’t know the current laws.
They know fairy tales, and deeply ingrained misogyny.

[Anonymous]

Ok, so men now need to be 100% prepared to care for a child the woman doesn't want. Takevthe kid home and be full time Dad. Cover all pregnancy related expenses.