Official Abortion Thread

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread confirms that anti-choice is about punishing women for not conforming to rules about sex.

Absolutely it is!

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Antiquated, misogynistic rules about sex.

About sex, about the role of women in the 21st century, about equality and society. the whole thing is medieval.

Which is apparently the goal of MAGA.

Netflix is replacing sex among the middle class. We are on the same track as Japan save for immigration. We are becoming a country of anchor babies

So you want to FORCE people to have babies they cannot afford or do not want? That doesn't sound like a better option.

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Anonymous wrote:“Anti-abortion” is such a cliche for enraged incels who want to punish women for sleeping with men other than themselves. How weak. No wonder no one will sleep with you.

Alonso’s half of women polled are pro-life. The percentage between men and women is only 2%. There’s half a chance the people lobbying for pro-life are women.

So it isn’t incels. I’m divorced and dating a great woman. So I’m not some incel. I’ve dated women from all walks of life from Ivy League grad to basic state college, different races and political views. Americans, Israelis, Latino and Europeans. If politics would come up there were plenty of pro-life women.

Why do you think you have any say with what happens to women’s bodies?

I don’t. But almost half of women think the baby has a right to live and not he murdered. As a man if the child is mine I have half a say as wel

Only if you can gestate it in your own body.

Then have protected sex. The amount of failure rates of birth control measures is very small. Women don't like to take responsibility for their own actions, it's seriously an epidemic.

You had sex, the child is both of yours, he gets a say.

He chose not to get a vasectomy or wear a condom, he gets no say.

She chose not to use BC, diaphragm and IUD...he gets a say.

Nope if she chose not to use BC he should have kept his pants zipped. Very irresponsible of him to engage in sex when he knew he wasn’t protected from conceiving or disease. Therefore he doesn’t get to decide what happens to her body.

The man does not get a choice since he is not the one that has to go through nine months of pregnancy, risk his life, have his body changed permanently, deal with morning sickness, hemorrhoids, swollen ankles, exhaustion etc. and that's all before going through labor. My body, my choice.

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I don’t know, reading these replies makes me think that most of these woman really shouldn’t be mothers. You changed my mind. I’m pro-choice now.

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I know it's going to be informative reading when we get to the part of the discussion where it's just page after page of dozens of lines of nested, quoted text followed by a one or two sentence reply.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know, reading these replies makes me think that most of these woman really shouldn’t be mothers. You changed my mind. I’m pro-choice now.

Be sure to call your represent and vote accordingly.
TIA!

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Why are lilberals against
Adoptions?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know, reading these replies makes me think that most of these woman really shouldn’t be mothers. You changed my mind. I’m pro-choice now.

Be sure to call your represent and vote accordingly.
TIA!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are lilberals against
Adoptions?

Who is against adoptions? That certainly is a CHOICE that women have available to them. One of various CHOICES.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

I use the term oro abortion rather than pro choice since. IMHO if a woman is in a position to have to chose between having a baby and having an abortion, she should err on the side of an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know, reading these replies makes me think that most of these woman really shouldn’t be mothers. You changed my mind. I’m pro-choice now.

Be sure to call your represent and vote accordingly.
TIA!

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

THANK YOU! 4000 "children" died! Who went to jail? Where were the prayer vigils?! You're a bunch of hypocrites.

Were they fertilizedembryos or eggs similar to those shed during a menstrual cycle?

if it's an embryo it's fertilized.

(PP is yet another example of why we need better sex ed in the u.s.!!)

No we really need better reading comprehension education. I specifically asked if they were fertilized embryos or eggs. I had read elsewhere that they were frozen eggs rather than frozen embryos.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

Of course! “Let’s take these two people who aren’t even responsible enough to use birth control and force them to be parents!”

Glad to see that you're admitting they're not being responsible.

Yes, let's recap these basic, unchangeable facts:

1. People aren't responsible.
2. People have sex.
3. Men ejaculate irresponsibly.
4. Women have unintended pregnancies.
5. Women will end unintended pregnancies.

NOTHING you say or do or legislate will change these basic facts.

So the grown-ups have acknowledge all of these facts and have figured out the best solution for society:
1. Provide sex education.
2. Make contraceptives (esp LARCs) free and easily accessible.
3. Make abortion safe and legal.

This reduces the number of unintended pregnancies and unwanted children.

2a. Make people use contraceptives don’t just provide them.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

Of course! “Let’s take these two people who aren’t even responsible enough to use birth control and force them to be parents!”

Glad to see that you're admitting they're not being responsible.

Yes, let's recap these basic, unchangeable facts:

1. People aren't responsible.
2. People have sex.
3. Men ejaculate irresponsibly.
4. Women have unintended pregnancies.
5. Women will end unintended pregnancies.

NOTHING you say or do or legislate will change these basic facts.

So the grown-ups have acknowledge all of these facts and have figured out the best solution for society:
1. Provide sex education.
2. Make contraceptives (esp LARCs) free and easily accessible.
3. Make abortion safe and legal.

This reduces the number of unintended pregnancies and unwanted children.

2a. Make people use contraceptives don’t just provide them.

How are you proposing to “make people use contraceptives”?

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

THANK YOU! 4000 "children" died! Who went to jail? Where were the prayer vigils?! You're a bunch of hypocrites.

Were they fertilized embryos or eggs similar to those shed during a menstrual cycle?

if it's an embryo it's fertilized.

(PP is yet another example of why we need better sex ed in the u.s.!!)

No we really need better reading comprehension education. I specifically asked if they were fertilized embryos or eggs. I had read elsewhere that they were frozen eggs rather than frozen embryos.

4,000 eggs and embryos.

One patient at this clinic had 11 miscarriages. Just think of how many police investigations she would have to endure if she lived in Alabama.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/these-would-be-parents-embryos-were-lost-now-theyre-grieving--and-suing/2018/08/24/57040ab0-733c-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone uses the term “pro-abortion,” it’s clear they don’t understand the issue well enough to be worth engaging with.

Similar to the pro-forced-birthers.

Incorrect. The supposed “pro-abortion” people are not advocating for people to have abortions, they are arguing for women to be able to choose for themselves whether to have abortions. “Pro-forced birth” people are, in fact, advocating for women to be forced to continue their pregnancies until they give birth, whether they want to or not.

It’s not forcing women to give birth, it’s not allowing the killing of a living fetus. It’s disgusting that it’s even an argument. It is a death. Own it if you want to defend it.

Fine. It's the killing of a living fetus. Now you own that it's ALSO forcing unwilling women to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.

Forcing women to have sex is one thing. Rape and or incest as causes of abortion are less than 1%...yet are used to justify 100% of abortions.

Women who have sex aren’t being forced to do so. They are choosing to do so- fine.

But if a baby is made- suddenly it’s a “forced birth.”

Women have sex with men who they don’t know. Women have sex with men they don’t like. Women know they can become pregnant.

They only innocent party in this is the unborn baby.

I have a real problem with adult women putting their problems onto their unborn child.

They make bad life choices and it’s not their fault, right? It’s the baby causing all the chaos. The baby is making them poor, the baby is interrupting their education. The baby is making it so they have to stay with some loser man they have been banging for some reason.

The utter lack of responsibility by women and their tidal wave of excuses actually disgusts me.

An unborn baby is responsible for everything.

What a bunch of crap. That’s why feminism- which supposedly makes women strong empowered women- is a sham. Women do exactly as the wish and then are shocked they get pregnant(never saw that coming!!!) and then that bad little baby ruined everything.

Wow. Those are some impressive contortions to avoid admitting that your position is one of forced birth.

You're trying hard to justify promiscuity with no responsibility on the woman's part. Children are the innocent victims. Men AND women need to be more responsible when it comes to having sex.

And you want the state to make them take responsibility by forcing them to give birth.

No. But I also think we've gone way too far in the direction of too many women not wanting to act in a responsible manner. It's the children who suffer, one way or another.

Not the men? Just the women? You're a misogynistic asshole of the highest order.

DP. It is you who has the misogynistic viewpoint that women cannot take control of their bodies.