Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

There’s a pastor online who said how you die doesn’t redeem how you lived, I can abhor the violence that killed you without celebrating your life, and nowhere in the Bible does it say to celebrate evil. Agree with it all.

Then why are people idolizing Kirk? He demonized immigrants, the left, Muslims, Chinese, Blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ+, academia, public schools and universities, and so on, yet people are portraying him with AI to be some kind of angelic figure embraced by Christ. Hate and demonization are not what Christ taught. Anyone following such a fraudulent, hateful brand of "Christianity" has truly lost their way.

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I don’t understand this at all. Why are they celebrating someone who probably hated them for the color of their skin?

Because they know the truth. He didn't hate anyone. He considered all of us God's children.
Sorry you have been so brainwashed with lies.

Sure, he didn't hate anyone. He just thought black women had less brain capacity than other God's children. That's not hate at all.

Candace and Charlie were good friends dummy.

They may have been good friends, but he said a number of disparaging things about Blacks and Black women.

*“If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?”

*“If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

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Tyler and Lance are highly intelligent, straight-laced Mormon men, what we are being fed couldn’t be more opposite of what they actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

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I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

He is 100% mischaracterizing the ideology in simple terms, either through ignorance or to push a narrative. The facts will come out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

There’s a pastor online who said how you die doesn’t redeem how you lived, I can abhor the violence that killed you without celebrating your life, and nowhere in the Bible does it say to celebrate evil. Agree with it all.

Then why are people idolizing Kirk? He demonized immigrants, the left, Muslims, Chinese, Blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ+, academia, public schools and universities, and so on, yet people are portraying him with AI to be some kind of angelic figure embraced by Christ. Hate and demonization are not what Christ taught. Anyone following such a fraudulent, hateful brand of "Christianity" has truly lost their way.

Because they’re wrong, brainwashed, full of hatred, and can’t think for themselves anymore? Who knows?

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

He is 100% mischaracterizing the ideology in simple terms, either through ignorance or to push a narrative. The facts will come out.

If he was framed I’m not sure what facts will come out.

[Anonymous]

Investigators have been examining and reviewing a letter left by the accused shooter for three days now, yet since the initial wave of predictable finger pointing, nobody in this leaky cauldron of an administration has begun crowing about his association with the left.

If this delay is not proof positive that the letter is not implicating the left at all, Something about a bridge to sell you.

The shooter was a conservative, through and through. What’s happening now is frantic scrambling to figure out how to connect him elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Mass shootings and school shootings were not a thing until our politicians let the assault weapons ban expire instead of renewing it. We reap what they sowed.

In 1966 a man went to the top of an observation tower on the campus of UT Austin with a semiautomatic rifle, a bolt action rifle, a shotgun and several pistols. He shot and killed 15 people and injured 31 others.

The Wiles-Barre shootings happened in 1982. The hooter used a semiautomatic rifle to kill 13 people and wound one other.

The San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre happened in 1984. It was perpetrated with a semiautomatic rifle, shotgun and pistol. There were 22 people killed and 19 injured.

In 1990 a shooter in Jacksonville, FL killed 11 and wounded 6 with a semiautomatic rifle and a pistol.

These are just the major semiautomatic rifle mass shootings prior to the AWB. School shootings and Mass shootings were “a thing” decades before the end of the ban.

Another mass shooting with an AK-47 happened in 2000, during the AWB, in Massachusetts. A guy killed 7 people at his office.

Guns have been around for literally hundreds of years. I actually find it no coincidence that these mass shootings only began around the time they started phasing out insane asylums.

“Insane asylums” were phased out starting in the 1950s. Maybe you’re thinking of the deinstitutionalization that occurred under Reagan.

Mass shootings started in the late 1980s, right around the time the NRA evolved from a sleepy sport-and-hunting organization into a huge lobbying organization dedicated to the mutually profitable missions of stoking paranoia and selling guns (speaking of things that aren’t coincidences).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

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This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Investigators have been examining and reviewing a letter left by the accused shooter for three days now, yet since the initial wave of predictable finger pointing, nobody in this leaky cauldron of an administration has begun crowing about his association with the left.

If this delay is not proof positive that the letter is not implicating the left at all, Something about a bridge to sell you.

The shooter was a conservative, through and through. What’s happening now is frantic scrambling to figure out how to connect him elsewhere.

I’ve read they’re busy “authenticating” it. Sure. I guess it didn’t have the right words to blast across FoxNews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mass shootings and school shootings were not a thing until our politicians let the assault weapons ban expire instead of renewing it. We reap what they sowed.

In 1966 a man went to the top of an observation tower on the campus of UT Austin with a semiautomatic rifle, a bolt action rifle, a shotgun and several pistols. He shot and killed 15 people and injured 31 others.

The Wiles-Barre shootings happened in 1982. The hooter used a semiautomatic rifle to kill 13 people and wound one other.

The San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre happened in 1984. It was perpetrated with a semiautomatic rifle, shotgun and pistol. There were 22 people killed and 19 injured.

In 1990 a shooter in Jacksonville, FL killed 11 and wounded 6 with a semiautomatic rifle and a pistol.

These are just the major semiautomatic rifle mass shootings prior to the AWB. School shootings and Mass shootings were “a thing” decades before the end of the ban.

Another mass shooting with an AK-47 happened in 2000, during the AWB, in Massachusetts. A guy killed 7 people at his office.

Guns have been around for literally hundreds of years. I actually find it no coincidence that these mass shootings only began around the time they started phasing out insane asylums.

“Insane asylums” were phased out starting in the 1950s. Maybe you’re thinking of the deinstitutionalization that occurred under Reagan.

Mass shootings started in the late 1980s, right around the time the NRA evolved from a sleepy sport-and-hunting organization into a huge lobbying organization dedicated to the mutually profitable missions of stoking paranoia and selling guns (speaking of things that aren’t coincidences).

That's when the NRA started representing the gun industry rather than hunters and shooting sports, so they started fearmongering as a way to help industry sell more guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mass shootings and school shootings were not a thing until our politicians let the assault weapons ban expire instead of renewing it. We reap what they sowed.

In 1966 a man went to the top of an observation tower on the campus of UT Austin with a semiautomatic rifle, a bolt action rifle, a shotgun and several pistols. He shot and killed 15 people and injured 31 others.

The Wiles-Barre shootings happened in 1982. The hooter used a semiautomatic rifle to kill 13 people and wound one other.

The San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre happened in 1984. It was perpetrated with a semiautomatic rifle, shotgun and pistol. There were 22 people killed and 19 injured.

In 1990 a shooter in Jacksonville, FL killed 11 and wounded 6 with a semiautomatic rifle and a pistol.

These are just the major semiautomatic rifle mass shootings prior to the AWB. School shootings and Mass shootings were “a thing” decades before the end of the ban.

Another mass shooting with an AK-47 happened in 2000, during the AWB, in Massachusetts. A guy killed 7 people at his office.

Guns have been around for literally hundreds of years. I actually find it no coincidence that these mass shootings only began around the time they started phasing out insane asylums.

While that is true, no one was taking that shot or committing mass murder with a musket.

“Kentucky” rifles were capable of accurate fire at the ranges in this case. The military of the times may have used muskets; not everybody else did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

Trans is also part of that culture but not in simplistic and conventional right/left terms.