Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

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I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

No he's scamming

It was supposed to be a leftist or foreigner. Not someone from his own back yard

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If there were truly conclusive smoking gun evidence that the shooter was some far left indoctrinated socialist Kamala Harris voter I'm sure it would have leaked by now. But instead we just have these dubious comments floating around.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

No he's scamming

It was supposed to be a leftist or foreigner. Not someone from his own back yard

Saying that part about praying (praying!) it was a foreigner out loud is quite a tell. Why do people think any of these politicians are decent? and if they are GOP, they work for Trump and only Trump. Truth? The public? forget them.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

Trans is also part of that culture but not in simplistic and conventional right/left terms.

Can you elaborate?

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

No he's scamming

It was supposed to be a leftist or foreigner. Not someone from his own back yard

Saying that part about praying (praying!) it was a foreigner out loud is quite a tell. Why do people think any of these politicians are decent? and if they are GOP, they work for Trump and only Trump. Truth? The public? forget them.

I couldn't believe he said that. How much he prayed it wouldn't be "one of us."

Still, I agree that on some level he seems like a well-intentioned boomer. For all his flaws, he is a better leader than Trump who always escalates when the country needs de-escalation, who always inflames when the country needs a calming presence.

I will never ever understand why anybody voted for him.

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These were Mormons from stable families living in Utah. My anecdotal experience tells me that none of this extreme leftist stuff is true. It may have been being used by them as a disguise or distraction of sorts though.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

With all due respect to the governor, he doesn't understand the deeper, darker influencers like Nick Fuentes, who are to the right of people like Charlie Kirk. So the simplistic answer is what they are going with despite the dark reality.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

I just read an article that investigators are pointing to gaming and the dark internet subculture as the source of that indoctrination. Even Cox recently made that reference. It doesn’t seem unlikely that they misunderstood the nature of the radicalization early on by thinking in conventional terms (investigators probably understood). Hopefully the poster who was celebrating yesterday about wasting “350 pages” on the topic sticks around.

The governor cited Reddit as an example of the deep, dark internet. He has no idea what he’s talking about.

I get where you're coming from, but if you go full circle, Reddit is like a lounge for the freaks that live online. It isn't where they discuss assassination plots, but it is most definitely where they go to circle jerk and echo chamber. Spend any time on the DC sub and you'll quickly see you aren't one of the cool kids unless you drink the kool aid of bike lanes, mass transit, all things gay and black and on and on with all the predictables.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

You are kidding.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

The alt-right attracts a surprising amount of young gay men. It’s complicated, but a lot of the values of that community align with the right (particularly the glorifying of masculinity). LGBTQ are more accepted in society nowadays, so civil rights isn’t at the forefront of their concerns. I don’t think they’re aware of how precarious their position is. There must be some cognitive dissonance that goes on when conservative leaders throw them under the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

Struggling with being gay? No he is straight, Mormon, basically self taught software engineer/hacker, who was recruited by the CIA possibly or worked as an independent contractor, or both. He was assisting Kirk, an ally of Kirk.

If he was an ally of Kirk, then why did he kill him?

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

Struggling with being gay? No he is straight, Mormon, basically self taught software engineer/hacker, who was recruited by the CIA possibly or worked as an independent contractor, or both. He was assisting Kirk, an ally of Kirk.

If he was an ally of Kirk, then why did he kill him?

He was framed.