To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

Oh my god I’d totally forgotten when he fired her! She was such an asset and he just… fired her.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

psst...Ron Desantis is part of the white nationalists as well

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

That is a great point. I think for most of the people it will be a choice of what they felt more threatened by: capital riots and tiki torches OR calls to gas the jews, actual rapes and cut heads. Lets them decide.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

Totally get the your thought process behind changing your voting habits as most of us need to do that but DeSantis and Trump aren't the solutions. They'll just cause more division and dysfunction in government.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

I don’t think you ever were a moderate Democrat. And I think you’re flat out lying about what what people your party are saying about Jewish people. I’m going to guess that it was probably criticism of Israel’s treatment of Muslims and Israel’s support of Jewish settlers in Muslim areas.

But again, there were Jewish people who supported the Nazis. They thought they were special. They thought they’d be exempt.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

No, he wasn’t. He was Putin’s lap dog. He tried to blackmail Ukraine, remember?

Scratch that. I don’t think you do remember and your warped memory has created this weird bubble for you to live in.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

I don’t think you ever were a moderate Democrat. And I think you’re flat out lying about what what people your party are saying about Jewish people. I’m going to guess that it was probably criticism of Israel’s treatment of Muslims and Israel’s support of Jewish settlers in Muslim areas.

But again, there were Jewish people who supported the Nazis. They thought they were special. They thought they’d be exempt.

DP.

Nice that you deny PP's lived experience.

Guessing you wouldn't treat any other group like that.

Seems to me that you've proved PP's point.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

There was nothing about Trump's foreign policy that was in the interests of the United States. EVERYTHING was transactional.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

No, he wasn’t. He was Putin’s lap dog. He tried to blackmail Ukraine, remember?

Scratch that. I don’t think you do remember and your warped memory has created this weird bubble for you to live in.

He was sane and shrewd, you are completely brainwashed. It is not in the U.S. best interest to get into an expansionist proxy war, half way across the world, which it has no chance of winning, destabilize Eurasia and the Middle East and glue together Russia, China, Iran etc.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

That is a great point. I think for most of the people it will be a choice of what they felt more threatened by: capital riots and tiki torches OR calls to gas the jews, actual rapes and cut heads. Lets them decide.

Pretty sure this framing leaves out most of the electorate.

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

No, he wasn’t. He was Putin’s lap dog. He tried to blackmail Ukraine, remember?

Scratch that. I don’t think you do remember and your warped memory has created this weird bubble for you to live in.

He was sane and shrewd, you are completely brainwashed. It is not in the U.S. best interest to get into an expansionist proxy war, half way across the world, which it has no chance of winning, destabilize Eurasia and the Middle East and glue together Russia, China, Iran etc.

It can’t be stressed enough: not only is Biden aiding+abetting genocide, he’s rolling the dice on a much, much larger conflict. It’s sick!

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

DP.

My cynical side says he would throw Ukraine to Russia, in exchange for Israel (iran and Russia fund Hamas).

Ukraine would never be invaded on Trump's watch. They would negotiate some kind of deal. Russia would keep the occupy territory (that they still have despite almost two years of war), but at least there would not be thousands of dead Ukrainians and millions of displayed Ukrainians.

You are so completely full of sh*t!!

Trump would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin.

Whom do you think is behind Hamas' invasion of Israel? Whom do you think benefits most from this new Hamas-Israel war? Whom do you think continues to fund Iran who in turn funds Hamas?

Putin is Trump's best friend.

And you are going to vote to destroy Ukraine and allow Palestinians to be slaughtered because you're "whine, whine" upset with Biden?

I don't care what you do if it doesn't affect me, but if Trump wins because whiny complainers like you can't face the reality that Trump is tied to Putin who wants to destroy the US, well, I beg you to reconsider.

If Trum would hand over Ukraine on a silver platter to Putin, why he didn't do that in 4 years of his presidency? Ukraine is already destroyed to ashes and it takes at least 20 years to rebuilt. And this destruction happened on Biden watch. And I am Ukrainian by the way.

Trump was giving Ukraine to Russia peacefully. No need to invade. He was working to end NATO, he removed Masha Yovanovitch, the honest pro-Ukrainian anti-corruption US Ambassador, sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry there to negotiate deals to allow corrupt Americans and Russian oligarchs take control of Ukrainian oil and gas, and he completely accepted Putin’s idiotic position that any place where Russian is spoken rightly belongs to Russia. His Ukraine policies represented Russia’s interests more than they represented U.S. interests.

This is just CNN side of the story. There is much more to that. Calling Yovanovtch honest and anti-corruption is laughable. She was clueless how to deal with the Ukrainian level of corruption.

You are delusional. She was outstanding representing U.S. interests and helping Ukraine adopt systems and practices that would enable them to increase their trade participation in the western economy. She was a career Foreign Service Officer who spoke Russian and had served with distinction as Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, posts that were at least as challenging as Ukraine. Trump sent Giuliani and Sondland and Perry, corrupt partisans who were an embarrassment to the United States, and did not know anything about Ukraine or Russia or U.S. policy and interests.

dp. If you think that a large power like Russia will allow a bordering country to join NATO and EU, you are a delusional neocon. Trump was a terrible diplomat but incredibly sane and shrewd militarily and strategically. The arrogance and delusions of neocons destroyed Ukraine, weakened Europe and accelerated US decline of power and influence.

There was nothing about Trump's foreign policy that was in the interests of the United States. EVERYTHING was transactional.

Much of recent decades of U.S. FP has been against interests of almost all Americans. We deserve better than Trump, but he has been able to succeed in no small measure due to the establishment’s FP failures.

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

I don’t think you ever were a moderate Democrat. And I think you’re flat out lying about what what people your party are saying about Jewish people. I’m going to guess that it was probably criticism of Israel’s treatment of Muslims and Israel’s support of Jewish settlers in Muslim areas.

But again, there were Jewish people who supported the Nazis. They thought they were special. They thought they’d be exempt.

DP.

Nice that you deny PP's lived experience.

Guessing you wouldn't treat any other group like that.

Seems to me that you've proved PP's point.

Nah, I’m pretty active online and I’ve seen a lot of people being pretty gently critical of Israel while being deeply critical of Hamas. I’ve seen a lot of Jewish people online reacting somewhat OTT about people pointing out that Israel is hardly a neutral actor here.