To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

Pretty sure the leadership within the Dem party is doing all they can right now to convince Biden not to run in 2024. Let's hope they are anyway. Too much is at stake.

Who has the gravitas in the country to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election?
And say he does step back, why would the Dems want to have the same "dems in disarray" fights about progressives versus moderates that the GOP is having right now? Why open the party up to that at this critical time?

The DNC doesn’t have to nominate him. Will this happen? Probably not but there’s still a chance.

The DNC doesn't nominate anyone. The party selects its nominee through the convention, and the delegates to the convention are selected in accordance with the primary results and the party rules.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

What makes you assume that blue collar workers are now a democratic constituency? Ever since Clinton and the new democrats abandoned labor, blue collar workers and especially white blue collar workers in the rust belt have been moving to the republican party.

You’ve been right wing propagandized. First, the GOP hates workers and keeps showing this. Second, families with a union member voted more Democratic than those without a union member. Why? Because Democrats support unions. The GOP destroys unions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184429/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-union-membership-us/

No president did more to destroy unions in this country than Clinton through NAFTA and supporting China's ascension to the WTO. If neither party supports you economically, you might as well vote for the party that aligns with you on social issues

Oh, now you want to change the subject from unions to “social issues”? Because I see your Clinton and raise you a Reagan. Then, I’d add a “right to work” and a constant weakening of every union (except the police union) by the GOP.

And social issues? The Democrats win by a mile. What does the GOP offer besides forced birth, anti-education, more fundamentalist churches funded by tax payers and division? Nothing.

With suburbanites. Neither side really supports unions any more, Biden made some performative efforts, but he crushed the railway workers without a second thought.

This is key. To the extent the Democrats get a majority of votes, it’s because they get a supermajority in a higher-income metro areas and suburbs. They should trade fewer votes in those areas for more elsewhere given the electoral college. Of course, doing so would require caring more about voters (or about beating Trump or whoever the GOP runs) than keeping a few gravy trains running for Democratic insiders.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

+1 And people keep thinking Michigan was close last time - it wasn’t. Biden won it by 150,000 votes, Republicans haven’t won a statewide office since 2016 and Democrats flipped the legislature for the first time since the 1980s and now have a trifecta. Not worried about Michigan.

Every poll shows Biden losing Michigan by 6-8% but I guess you are in touch with all the union people up in Michigan. While the Muslims in your opinion should just be happy to just live in this country? How dare they ask for representation from the dems. Wow let me sign up for your candidate. You know the one who can not even bring himself to admit there are dead Muslims in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

What makes you assume that blue collar workers are now a democratic constituency? Ever since Clinton and the new democrats abandoned labor, blue collar workers and especially white blue collar workers in the rust belt have been moving to the republican party.

You’ve been right wing propagandized. First, the GOP hates workers and keeps showing this. Second, families with a union member voted more Democratic than those without a union member. Why? Because Democrats support unions. The GOP destroys unions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184429/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-union-membership-us/

No president did more to destroy unions in this country than Clinton through NAFTA and supporting China's ascension to the WTO. If neither party supports you economically, you might as well vote for the party that aligns with you on social issues

You realize NAFTA was negotiated and finalized under Papa Bush, right? Clinton had to sign the agreement because it became the law.

This is a hoot! NAFTA absolutely had deep Clinton support. He did not *have* to go ahead with it, he chose to do so.

This is from 1993

"At heart, Clinton believes in the importance of expanded trade as a critical element of the country's economic future. It was a lesson he learned as Arkansas governor, when he had led personal campaigns to attract foreign investment to his state.

In late 1991, as Clinton moved around the country in his nascent campaign for the presidency, he voiced support for the authority for the president to send NAFTA to Congress for consideration without amendment, a stand that organized labor opposed.

The position cast him as a "new Democrat" who was willing to stand up to the unions, reflecting his belief that his main competition in the 1992 primaries would be a traditional liberal such as New York Gov. Mario M. Cuomo (D) or Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

The dynamic of the campaign changed when Paul E. Tsongas, the former Massachusetts senator, and former California governor Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. ended up as his main opponents. Tsongas forced Clinton to begin to move left; Brown taunted him to move even farther left -- farther than was politically smart.

Clinton was under pressure to yield to the unions on NAFTA before the Michigan primary in March 1992. Instead, he went into a United Auto Workers hall in Flint, Mich., and delivered an eloquent defense of his position to a hostile audience. But to avoid a break with labor, he held out the possibility that he could oppose the NAFTA treaty, saying he doubted he could support something Bush negotiated."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1993/09/19/clintons-conversion-on-nafta/3a5b9cb5-dfc8-4b5c-9ae6-30781f0a99fc/

He chose to abandon labor in favor of trade and democrats have been steadily losing union support ever since.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

What makes you assume that blue collar workers are now a democratic constituency? Ever since Clinton and the new democrats abandoned labor, blue collar workers and especially white blue collar workers in the rust belt have been moving to the republican party.

You’ve been right wing propagandized. First, the GOP hates workers and keeps showing this. Second, families with a union member voted more Democratic than those without a union member. Why? Because Democrats support unions. The GOP destroys unions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184429/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-union-membership-us/

No president did more to destroy unions in this country than Clinton through NAFTA and supporting China's ascension to the WTO. If neither party supports you economically, you might as well vote for the party that aligns with you on social issues

Oh, now you want to change the subject from unions to “social issues”? Because I see your Clinton and raise you a Reagan. Then, I’d add a “right to work” and a constant weakening of every union (except the police union) by the GOP.

And social issues? The Democrats win by a mile. What does the GOP offer besides forced birth, anti-education, more fundamentalist churches funded by tax payers and division? Nothing.

With suburbanites. Neither side really supports unions any more, Biden made some performative efforts, but he crushed the railway workers without a second thought.

The economy was still teetering when that took place. I suspect that if the Rail workers tried again, Biden would support them now, because the economy is in a much better place.

I guess the “liberal media” never bothered to tell you all that the rail workers have sick days now and didn’t have to strike to do it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Also%20on%20Monday%2C%20Union%20Pacific,paid%20days%20of%20sick%20leave.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

What makes you assume that blue collar workers are now a democratic constituency? Ever since Clinton and the new democrats abandoned labor, blue collar workers and especially white blue collar workers in the rust belt have been moving to the republican party.

You’ve been right wing propagandized. First, the GOP hates workers and keeps showing this. Second, families with a union member voted more Democratic than those without a union member. Why? Because Democrats support unions. The GOP destroys unions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184429/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-union-membership-us/

No president did more to destroy unions in this country than Clinton through NAFTA and supporting China's ascension to the WTO. If neither party supports you economically, you might as well vote for the party that aligns with you on social issues

Oh, now you want to change the subject from unions to “social issues”? Because I see your Clinton and raise you a Reagan. Then, I’d add a “right to work” and a constant weakening of every union (except the police union) by the GOP.

And social issues? The Democrats win by a mile. What does the GOP offer besides forced birth, anti-education, more fundamentalist churches funded by tax payers and division? Nothing.

With suburbanites. Neither side really supports unions any more, Biden made some performative efforts, but he crushed the railway workers without a second thought.

The economy was still teetering when that took place. I suspect that if the Rail workers tried again, Biden would support them now, because the economy is in a much better place.

I guess the “liberal media” never bothered to tell you all that the rail workers have sick days now and didn’t have to strike to do it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Also%20on%20Monday%2C%20Union%20Pacific,paid%20days%20of%20sick%20leave.

" More than 60% of U.S. unionized railroad workers at major railroads are now are covered by new sick leave agreements, a trade group said Monday."

I guess it sucks to be in the other 40%. That sick leave must be really valuable for the employers to fight so hard against it. "Under the agreement effective Aug. 1, members will have up to seven paid days of sick leave. Five days will be considered paid sick days with the ability to convert two additional paid leave days for use as paid sick time." Oh, never mind. I guess we're still supposed to ignore Biden crushing a union strike because 60% of the members ended up with 5 days of paid sick time, which I guess you consider a good outcome

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Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.

I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate unless they present a transition team free of neocon members from the Biden and Obama admins.

But you will be happy to enable the rise of a Christian-fascist leader in the alternative. Bravo!

The lesser of two evils.

I suppose if you are a White Christian, then sure. For the rest of us, not so much.

Was it the mean tweets? Because the world was a safer, less violent and more prosperous place under Trump.

Hmm those riots at the capital were pretty peaceful as well as protests at Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

Those Tiki Torches in Charlottesville are almost quaint compared to some of the things I’ve heard people who are in MY party say about Jews like me in the last three weeks. I’m stepping back from thinking of myself as a moderate Democrat. I’ve seen what other people who also describe themselves as moderate Democrats are saying about me, and we are not the same people. I’m not even sure we’re the same species at this point. I’m no5 prone to dramatics like burning voter registration cards or anything, but I’m going to be changing the way I vote. I hope Ron DeSantis is the republican nominee next year, because if he is, I’m voting for him and will do my best to convince everyone I know to vote for him too. I might even vote for Trump, if the choice is between Trump and Biden, because the Democratic Party needs a housecleaning event and losing everything might be what’s necessary to achieve it. So be it.

I have been very curious when democrats were going to start calling out the glaring hypocrisy of their own. You have a couple dozen glassbowls parading through the night with tiki torches chanting "we will not be replaced" and democrats scream about THERE IS NO BOTH SIDES! NAZIS!
And yet in the last three weeks there has been more nazi like sentiment and behavior on the left, supporting genocide, full throated protests calling for the eradication of peoples and its been barely a shrug.
And some are actually defending the "kids" aka grown a$$ adults at elite schools that signed documents expressing joy for the carnage. I mean WTAF.
I am sure fringe white supremacist wish they could get this much adulation and support as the real Nazis are right now.

Democrats do not agree with the far left who express anti-semetic rhetoric. This isn't hard. There are racists of all stripes that Trump and MAGAism has unleashed in this country. They are the "deplorables" that the right criticized Hillary to no end about. the different, you don't see mainstream Dems embracing the rhetoric. Same cannot be said for the right.

I’m a democrat. And what’s scary is that progressive democrats fan the flames of it. You have Ilhan Omar who doesn’t even hide her anti semitism. The rest of the squad is just as bad. As a Democrat, I am in a position where we need to caucus with progressives but after the past month I cannot and will not be able to vote for them.

Jamal Bowman represents my district - I didn’t vote for him in the primary but held my nose and voted for him in 2020, but I will not vote for him again after he refused to vote for a bill condemning Hamas. Our district is probably 20% Jewish, has been redsitricted since 2020, and I sincerely hope he is primaried and loses next year.

The squad cannot be trusted when it comes to antisemitism and extremism, and it’s real problem for democrats.

I don't think AOC is a racist. I do think the other three are.

That said, it is three elected Democrats in the House. None of them are House leadership or party leadership. They are not the mainstream of the party, and certainly do not speak for the President or any of the Administration.

It is a very different scenario than the GOP, where the racist and crazy are core to the party leadership and main stream elected officials. Certainly more so than most of their voters.

Boy are you going to be shocked when you find out all the racist stuff that Biden has said. But his racism always gets dismissed as a "gaffe".
Talk about racist at the top of party leadership. Doesn't get any higher than that.

Bidens actions over the past 25 years speak louder than his words. People can evolve with their understanding of the world. Yes, Biden has said some cringy stuff. He doesn't peddle in the outright hate rhetoric of the right, or the fringe left. He is more a product of his upbringing who has adapted over changing times.

DP. But what are his actions? As a black person I can't think of anything he has done for BIPOC citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

+1 And people keep thinking Michigan was close last time - it wasn’t. Biden won it by 150,000 votes, Republicans haven’t won a statewide office since 2016 and Democrats flipped the legislature for the first time since the 1980s and now have a trifecta. Not worried about Michigan.

Every poll shows Biden losing Michigan by 6-8% but I guess you are in touch with all the union people up in Michigan.

Nope. President Joe Biden leads Donald Trump 45% to 41% in the MIRS/Northern Michigan Business Alliance survey conducted by Target Insyght. 800 sample. 1/4-1/10; +/-3.5% MOE.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.

But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.

You don’t understand the electoral college.

+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.

Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.

You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.

Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.

Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.

So you think the GOP doesn't have unconditional support for Israel?

Do you think the GOP would have provided aid to the people of Gaza or negotiated a humanitarian pause?

Because that is fantasyland.

Muslims in Michigan, who Biden needs to win, are screaming that this will make them stay home. Democrats have this amazing ability to ignore their own voters who couldn't possibly be clearer and then be surprised when the voters do the thing they said they would do

And in Michigan there are just as many union workers who voted for someone other than Biden in the past who will vote for him now.

I guess if Muslims in Michigan want to let Trump win and then be deported because they are Muslim, then they win or something.

+1 And people keep thinking Michigan was close last time - it wasn’t. Biden won it by 150,000 votes, Republicans haven’t won a statewide office since 2016 and Democrats flipped the legislature for the first time since the 1980s and now have a trifecta. Not worried about Michigan.

Every poll shows Biden losing Michigan by 6-8% but I guess you are in touch with all the union people up in Michigan.

Nope. President Joe Biden leads Donald Trump 45% to 41% in the MIRS/Northern Michigan Business Alliance survey conducted by Target Insyght. 800 sample. 1/4-1/10; +/-3.5% MOE.
https://mirs-uploads.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1790-T.I.%20STATEWIDE%2001%2011%202024%20%281%29.pdf

Meanwhile Haley crushes Biden in every swing state and any normal Dem candidate crushes Trump in every swing state. This makes me wonder if the RNC and DNC are actively working to find a way not to nominate these two awful elderly men.