My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:*you go private

You keep saying this but here’s the flaw with this logic: We are already losing too many teachers who don’t want to be abused. If all the regular kids leave too because of a few abusive classmates then you will be left with a place that NO parent would want to send their kids to. It doesn’t serve anyone’s interest to let things get to this point. There has to be more balance.

all the “regular kids” are not going to leave. because you are exaggerating what’s actually going on.

The ones who can afford it.

fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*you go private

You keep saying this but here’s the flaw with this logic: We are already losing too many teachers who don’t want to be abused. If all the regular kids leave too because of a few abusive classmates then you will be left with a place that NO parent would want to send their kids to. It doesn’t serve anyone’s interest to let things get to this point. There has to be more balance.

Case in point: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/prince-georges-county/prince-georges-county-teacher-pushes-for-classroom-safety-after-alleged-attack-by-students/3416353/?amp=1

The students were suspended and nowhere does it say anything about SN or IEPs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

Right. Kids who throw furniture don’t belong in general ed classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

I haven't heard anything about how anyone should handle violent SN students. Can't restrain them. Can't punish them. Can't put them in self contained classes. Can't remove them from the classroom. Can't suspend or expel them. The only suggestion seems to be "total inclusion with no consequences or completely pay for my private school."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

I haven't heard anything about how anyone should handle violent SN students. Can't restrain them. Can't punish them. Can't put them in self contained classes. Can't remove them from the classroom. Can't suspend or expel them. The only suggestion seems to be "total inclusion with no consequences or completely pay for my private school."

Virtual school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

I haven't heard anything about how anyone should handle violent SN students. Can't restrain them. Can't punish them. Can't put them in self contained classes. Can't remove them from the classroom. Can't suspend or expel them. The only suggestion seems to be "total inclusion with no consequences or completely pay for my private school."

you’re not interested in actually discussing it, just making assumptions and blaming parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

I haven't heard anything about how anyone should handle violent SN students. Can't restrain them. Can't punish them. Can't put them in self contained classes. Can't remove them from the classroom. Can't suspend or expel them. The only suggestion seems to be "total inclusion with no consequences or completely pay for my private school."

you’re not interested in actually discussing it, just making assumptions and blaming parents.

"My child isn't my responsibility!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

I haven't heard anything about how anyone should handle violent SN students. Can't restrain them. Can't punish them. Can't put them in self contained classes. Can't remove them from the classroom. Can't suspend or expel them. The only suggestion seems to be "total inclusion with no consequences or completely pay for my private school."

you’re not interested in actually discussing it, just making assumptions and blaming parents.

"My child isn't my responsibility!"

yes, keep it up. you really seem interested in learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought quiet rooms were currently not allowed in FFX due to a court case. They exist in MCPS. The problem often is the ability to remove the violent child. No adult wants to get hurt or hurt a child. The key is to catch the behaviors before they escalate to a meltdown so a child can calmly walk to a calm down area. It’s really hard for 1 adult to catch the nuances of an impending meltdown if they have to teach and supervise 25 kids.

The problem is that isn't what some schools were calling quiet rooms. They were forcibly moving kids to a room, locking them inside, alone, often for extended periods of time. They can't do that and shouldn't do that.

But they can do what you describe-- preemptively, or after deescalation, lead a child to a different room for a short period of time to help them calm down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Yes, taking emotionally out of control students out of the classroom to calm down does help. It also allows sped kids to process and regroup before being hit with the environmental stimuli of the classroom again.

It also helps the kids who are more typical to stay in the classroom and allows the teacher to remained focused on the lesson.

And no, at least in the school district where my kids go, they don’t have calm down rooms. IN MCPS where I taught years ago, the calm down rooms were also not allowed anymore. I believe there was a lawsuit and you couldn’t restrain or touch a kid anymore to have them leave.

Do you have data to support you? There is a LOT of research in favor of sensory spaces/calm down corners, and rooms. It doesn’t have to be a punishment, but it is necessary for these kids to leave if learning for all is to continue. I think the problem lies in the fact that people picture a “rubber room” and not a space where there are bubble lamps, platform covered tables, bean bags etc. Let the kid tear that apart, not the classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

It can if there’s a trained professional to help them process their feelings and move on. Then the next time, they can hopefully catch the meltdown before it gets to the throwing stage and help the child find an alternate way to handle their emotions. The problem is that those ppl are not in most schools and definitely not on gen Ed classes. The aides have no training and are more detrimental to the child than helpful.
Located on most schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

Not true. I had sped inclusion kids who have access to a beautiful sensory room in a public elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Hilarious as my kid is one of those SN kids. But the public is a joke so we don't go there.

Does your kid have major externalizing behaviors?

No, so my kid is not a threat to others but can get extremely distracted when there is chaos in the background and can't focus or be in a position to learn. There is a kid in their class now with an aide and that child also doesn't act out in a major distracting violent way. So it's just avoiding SN kids but seeking out an appropriate environment so they can succeed as well without being ignored or lost in the shuffle. You get what you pay for.

my point is that it is not possible and/or affordable to find a private school for a SN kid with behaviors. not sure why that is so hard for you to understand.

My point which you will not understand is for wealthy people with options then need to exercise those options. We can talk past each other all day long because we're not talking about the same thing which you can't accept for some reason.

Why the f do you think it is relevant to post about how the super wealthy should handle SN? You may as well post about how we should all have magic fairies come teach our kids to behave.

And FWIW this stuff isn’t simple for rich people. You actually can’t always throw money at it. And it can be a trap too - there are schools that are happy to take your money and abuse your kid (like Paris Hilton).

Because someone posted pages back about wealthy parents fighting the schools about supports, aides, etc etc when they could meet their kids needs on their own but refuse to because of the flimsy "free and appropriate" promise. I wouldn't play games with my kids education like that. I think that's a waste of time and resources and arguing with me back and forth about what middle class people do instead is really wasting your time. I said what I said about wealthy people and their resources.

We get it! You have a bone to pick with some particular wealthy people you know and have decided to spend literal PAGES derailing this discussion.

Uh no. Someone keeps mischaracterizing what Im saying. Let it go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 44 pages of fighting here, but the answer was in another thread about the “Quiet rooms.” Basically, school staff needs to be able to remove these kids so teaching can go on for the rest of the class. It would help the student in crisis to be removed and help the kids who have the right to learn in the classroom.

The ability of schools to take these kids out and go to a calm down room was removed because sometimes those rooms resulted in over punishment for some kids and a group of parents hated them and felt their child experienced abuse in them (Probably true in some cases).

I think those rooms are the solution still and the issues parents had with them need to be addressed rather than just taking all other kids out of the classroom. If a parent doesn’t want their kid in a quiet room, THEN the parent needs to pick the kid up and they can seek another placement. Having a quiet or calm down room is very important for kids with emotional regulation issues.

I think if you are a parent with a typical kid and don’t like what is happening currently with the class leaving, start advocating for the use of calm down rooms again.

No, forcibly restraining and secluding kids is not the solution. It doesn’t help long term.

Removing a dangerous child to a quiet room helps the other students who would otherwise be unsafe or have their education disrupted. But you have made it clear you don't care about them.

and you have made it clear you have no idea how to handle these issues. btw - quiet/seclusion rooms are most commonly used in self-contained programs, not general ed classrooms.

Right, that's the problem, there are kids in general ed who are having behaviors where they need to be removed to a quiet room, but they aren't because they are in general ed. so instead the class gets removed.