Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

Yes schools can go "due process" where there is a legal proceeding about placement. Most schools rarely go this route over fears of being sued and in my opinion as a veteran teacher, they are spineless. For every story you hear about schools NOT giving services that are needed (and that does happen a lot) there's another story about a parent blindly refusing a service or placement that is needed. I'm so over both these things happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

Yes schools can go "due process" where there is a legal proceeding about placement. Most schools rarely go this route over fears of being sued and in my opinion as a veteran teacher, they are spineless. For every story you hear about schools NOT giving services that are needed (and that does happen a lot) there's another story about a parent blindly refusing a service or placement that is needed. I'm so over both these things happening.

+1 it also takes so long. I had a student this year with very limiting behaviors who already had a speech IEP. We started the process in October and additional services didn’t start until March

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

Yes schools can go "due process" where there is a legal proceeding about placement. Most schools rarely go this route over fears of being sued and in my opinion as a veteran teacher, they are spineless. For every story you hear about schools NOT giving services that are needed (and that does happen a lot) there's another story about a parent blindly refusing a service or placement that is needed. I'm so over both these things happening.

I don’t disagree that this is what happens. But if schools *wanted* to fast-track severe behavioral issues, they absolutely could. It would just take resources to design procedures that align with parents’ procedural rights and to ensure they are followed. But it is absolutely possible. Schools just don’t want to devote those resources though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents of the child who was touched inappropriately after falling on the playground must be furious. Im also shocked that the parents haven’t been charged yet.

So many puzzle pieces missing. Maybe, the prosecutor is making a case. Odd that there are no rumors or leaks making its way into the news.

If this had happened in nova or dc I’d guess that the parents were diplomats or politically connected somehow.

There was speculation here earlier that they may be military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents of the child who was touched inappropriately after falling on the playground must be furious. Im also shocked that the parents haven’t been charged yet.

So many puzzle pieces missing. Maybe, the prosecutor is making a case. Odd that there are no rumors or leaks making its way into the news.

If this had happened in nova or dc I’d guess that the parents were diplomats or politically connected somehow.

There was speculation here earlier that they may be military.

I wondered about that, as well. The school is close to Ft. Eustis. But, that should have no impact on this issue. If the school were on Ft. Eustis and the family was military, I can assure you that the situation could have been handled differently. Other resources could have come into play before this event.

I doubt that the family is military. I wonder more if there are political connections within the community. Odd that there have been no leaks.

[Anonymous]

My child had a troubled and sometimes violent kid in her class. One year the teacher arranged the classroom in a semi circle with him in the middle because he couldn’t be next to anyone. I thought that was a bit much. His mom was a piece of work and I can totally see her refusing accommodations.

At age 14 he shot and killed two people. He’s currently in some sort of juvenile facility. I never really knew how troubled he was until that came out. This was close in MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The program he was moved to for K is not therapeutic at all?
What about the safety and well being of those kids? Did the parents paying for that program understand the risk to THEIR kids? http://decc.nn.k12.va.us/

Most parents have absolutely no clue as to what kinds of students are in their children's classes -- all the way through high school.

Here’s the thing. All the kids know who the troubled kids are. Ask your middle/high school kid who the school shooter is and they’ll tell you. I have no faith in the system’s ability to protect my kid. I have taught mine to avoid, avoid, avoid. Do t be cruel but don’t be kind either. Be invisible to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child had a troubled and sometimes violent kid in her class. One year the teacher arranged the classroom in a semi circle with him in the middle because he couldn’t be next to anyone. I thought that was a bit much. His mom was a piece of work and I can totally see her refusing accommodations.

At age 14 he shot and killed two people. He’s currently in some sort of juvenile facility. I never really knew how troubled he was until that came out. This was close in MoCo.

I guarantee you that the teacher only did that out of desperation. I taught one like that--I never tried the semi-circle thing, but i would pull the desk away from the others from time to time. When kids are seated at tables, it becomes more difficult. I taught one girl that just would not keep her hands off the other kids. Others would pester others from time to time, but this child was all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents of the child who was touched inappropriately after falling on the playground must be furious. Im also shocked that the parents haven’t been charged yet.

So many puzzle pieces missing. Maybe, the prosecutor is making a case. Odd that there are no rumors or leaks making its way into the news.

It's probably hard to prove they broke Virginia law. At the time, the only charge that seemed to apply was a misdemeanor related to gun storage, but if they're sticking to their 'it was locked' story and there is no evidence to contradict it, that might not even stick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

Yes schools can go "due process" where there is a legal proceeding about placement. Most schools rarely go this route over fears of being sued and in my opinion as a veteran teacher, they are spineless. For every story you hear about schools NOT giving services that are needed (and that does happen a lot) there's another story about a parent blindly refusing a service or placement that is needed. I'm so over both these things happening.

I don’t disagree that this is what happens. But if schools *wanted* to fast-track severe behavioral issues, they absolutely could. It would just take resources to design procedures that align with parents’ procedural rights and to ensure they are followed. But it is absolutely possible. Schools just don’t want to devote those resources though.

They could also respond to the parents that they agree that the kid doesn't need an evaluation for an IEP/504 and then expel them for behavioral reasons.

[Anonymous]

They could also respond to the parents that they agree that the kid doesn't need an evaluation for an IEP/504 and then expel them for behavioral reasons.

Wonder if parents had a lawyer involved before this event....Schools don't like to be sued--except, of course, for Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

I want my kid to get the help he needs before something like this happens. I've never heard of a kid requiring a parent to attend school with him. That sounds really sketchy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would parents refuse evaluation? Don't parents need and want help? Or do thy not get help? But still, dont' you want to know what is going on?

Do you want to admit that your child is a sociopath?

This was not a case of an IEP for learning difficulties.

I think a parent can refuse placement, but there must surely be some recourse on the part of the school. Could he school should have gone to court because the child was a danger? I think? they can do that.

But, who, in their right mind with a child like that would have a gun in the house?

I would love to know more about the parents.

I want my kid to get the help he needs before something like this happens. I've never heard of a kid requiring a parent to attend school with him. That sounds really sketchy.

I know I should not be judgmental, but it's very difficult not to think that the parents are part of the problem. I'd love to know what kind of help--if any--the child was receiving.

there are some large missing links in this story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents of the child who was touched inappropriately after falling on the playground must be furious. Im also shocked that the parents haven’t been charged yet.

So many puzzle pieces missing. Maybe, the prosecutor is making a case. Odd that there are no rumors or leaks making its way into the news.

If this had happened in nova or dc I’d guess that the parents were diplomats or politically connected somehow.

There was speculation here earlier that they may be military.

"Military" doesn't have any type of clout or influence to get something "hushed" that wouldn't otherwise be hushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The program he was moved to for K is not therapeutic at all?
What about the safety and well being of those kids? Did the parents paying for that program understand the risk to THEIR kids? http://decc.nn.k12.va.us/

Most parents have absolutely no clue as to what kinds of students are in their children's classes -- all the way through high school.

Here’s the thing. All the kids know who the troubled kids are. Ask your middle/high school kid who the school shooter is and they’ll tell you. I have no faith in the system’s ability to protect my kid. I have taught mine to avoid, avoid, avoid. Do t be cruel but don’t be kind either. Be invisible to them.

+1