Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

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Anonymous wrote:My sister about 20 years ago was mugged running around her college campus early in the morning. The city police quite literally blamed her, were openly mocking her for being so stupid, and told her to stop running alone and so early unless she had a death wish.

The only reason this is getting the press it is and the law enforcement manpower (on a holiday weekend they immediately ran DNA on his shoes!) is because her family is filthy rich and politically connected. Otherwise these apathetic city police departments wouldn’t give a damn. There are probably hundreds of missing women in that region who didn’t get even 1% of this sort of response.

And for those saying b-but it was on camera, that’s why there’s this manpower: City cops don’t even bother checking camera footage for most crimes. They do not care. If this was a poor person they’d tell the family to call them next week if she still doesn’t show.

Especially if the family said she was “jogging” at 4am. Police would assume this was spin for druggy or prostitute.

But according to the rules here they never should have been out at 4am for any reason, so they had it coming, right? Why didn't their husbands keep them home? Not sure what the point of all this grousing is. The cops did their job, and you're mad. The cops don't do their job and you're mad. There's no pleasing some of you.

Apathetic big city cops treat local poors and visitors like absolute dirt. This old money connected family gets results nobody in Memphis has access to. Just the reality. Same day DNA is incredible. If this was a poor victim those flip flops are probably never even retrieved, let alone getting same day DNA testing.

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Anonymous wrote:My sister about 20 years ago was mugged running around her college campus early in the morning. The city police quite literally blamed her, were openly mocking her for being so stupid, and told her to stop running alone and so early unless she had a death wish.

The only reason this is getting the press it is and the law enforcement manpower (on a holiday weekend they immediately ran DNA on his shoes!) is because her family is filthy rich and politically connected. Otherwise these apathetic city police departments wouldn’t give a damn. There are probably hundreds of missing women in that region who didn’t get even 1% of this sort of response.

And for those saying b-but it was on camera, that’s why there’s this manpower: City cops don’t even bother checking camera footage for most crimes. They do not care. If this was a poor person they’d tell the family to call them next week if she still doesn’t show.

Especially if the family said she was “jogging” at 4am. Police would assume this was spin for druggy or prostitute.

But according to the rules here they never should have been out at 4am for any reason, so they had it coming, right? Why didn't their husbands keep them home? Not sure what the point of all this grousing is. The cops did their job, and you're mad. The cops don't do their job and you're mad. There's no pleasing some of you.

Apathetic big city cops treat local poors and visitors like absolute dirt. This old money connected family gets results nobody in Memphis has access to. Just the reality. Same day DNA is incredible. If this was a poor victim those flip flops are probably never even retrieved, let alone getting same day DNA testing.

Wow, I bet the family feels so lucky and privileged that their daughter was treated this way by a career criminal. Maybe if the local powers that be actually did their real job this loser never would have been out on the street in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Within Tennessee, more than 100% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Memphis. In fact, after researching dangerous places to live, NeighborhoodScout found Memphis to be one of the top 100 most dangerous cities in the U.S.A.

My oldest son works in logistics and they advise truckers not to stop in Memphis. It’s THAT bad.

NP - I really had no idea, wow. Is it mostly property crime, or violent crime? (Or both?) And why there ?

Here are a few crime stats for Memphis in 2021:
1. Ranked the No. 1 most dangerous city in US
2. Ranked 2nd highest homicide rate in any US metro area
3. Memphis violent crime was 237% higher than the national average
4. Violent crimes in Memphis are 506% higher than the national average
5. Nearly 250 murders, half unsolved

Husband is a real gentleman for letting his wife run around such a town solo at 4 a.m.

Men do not control adult women. At least not in healthy relationships.

Why do you people keep saying he should have kept her inside, let she was his pet or CHILD?!

Because she’s not single. She’s married. And that means he gets to have an opinion about her activities, just as she gets to have one about his.

Maybe he agreed with it? What does it matter?

A husband has a duty to PROTECT his wife and children from harm. It’s not like he was away on a business trip, he’s a tattooed layabout who is home every morning and watched his wife leave at 4am solo to roam the streets of a war zone with practically no clothes on. The husband is a lowlife.

War zone? Wtf are you even talking about. Roaming the streets? No she was RUNNING!!

Running outfits are practically no clothes?

He was probably asleep when she left so he wasn’t watching her leave.

What is this anti tattoo slant on here.

My husband bikes or hike in rock creek park at 5am. I sleep at that time and would never go with him. He is unlikely to be kidnapped being a man and 220 lb, but I would still not go with him, and even less at 4.30am. That’s the middle of the night for me and if you are so dumb to run at that time it’s your choice. I think running that early is stupid fir a woman alone. At the very least find another early jogger

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Anonymous wrote:She's only an heiress if she inherited, or stands to inherit, money or position from her relatives.

On a different note, the company was relatively small for a long time. Revenue today is $3 billion but was $200 million in 1990. Through the seventies and most of the eighties it averaged about half that. Given the low margins in distribution and the low margins in hardware, we can assume this business has never thrown off a lot of cash. I would guess before the company's growth rate increased in the nineties, the company averaged about $3 million in distributable cash each year to its owners. And because the company was founded in 1847, there were probably a lot of owners splitting that.

Although the company grew 20x from the nineties until today, growth is costly, particularly for a distributor which can only grow by increasing inventory and service levels. In a low margin business, increasing inventory means tying up lots of cash. We can conclude that over the last thirty years, the owners decided to invest cash back into the business instead of taking it out in the form of distributions to owners. (It's also possible the company used debt to grow while maintaining payouts to owners, which would factor in to the next part).

Assuming the company is debt-free, the entire thing is worth about $2.5 billion today. But of course none of that is not liquid. I would guess all owners combined take out a total of at most about $20 million per year on a pre-tax basis (substantially all the cash has to be reinvested in the business in order to maintain rapid growth). Whether or not our 'heiress' gets any of those distirbutions depends on whether or not she was given an ownership stake in the business.

But until the business is sold, there is no way for any owners or so-called heirs to get money from the business outside of declared dividends.

Another source of potential wealth for Eliza would be anything left to her directly from her grandfather's estate. Presumably he saved and reinvested his distributions from the business over the decades and those in turn were distributed when his estate settled. However, given that she married her deadbeat loser husband about five year before he died, I would guess that the husband has zero financial incentive to have her dead because something tells me gramps locked that sh*t down when he saw she was marrying outside the family caste to a dude with dirty tats. She was worth far more alive than dead to him and it's not clear how much, if any, money was coming to her since there were no billions lying around.

You’re trying way, way too hard. The family is beyond loaded. This victim’s wedding was clearly several million dollars as documented by a local magazine.

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War zone? Wtf are you even talking about. Roaming the streets? No she was RUNNING!!

Running outfits are practically no clothes?

He was probably asleep when she left so he wasn’t watching her leave.

What is this anti tattoo slant on here.

It’s not anti-tattoo slant per se. Hubby is a self-admitted recovering addict and has a certain style of ink which looks like the sort of ink meth addicts prefer. And it seems he has acquired this style of tattoos all over his body post-wedding. I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

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Anonymous wrote:My sister about 20 years ago was mugged running around her college campus early in the morning. The city police quite literally blamed her, were openly mocking her for being so stupid, and told her to stop running alone and so early unless she had a death wish.

The only reason this is getting the press it is and the law enforcement manpower (on a holiday weekend they immediately ran DNA on his shoes!) is because her family is filthy rich and politically connected. Otherwise these apathetic city police departments wouldn’t give a damn. There are probably hundreds of missing women in that region who didn’t get even 1% of this sort of response.

And for those saying b-but it was on camera, that’s why there’s this manpower: City cops don’t even bother checking camera footage for most crimes. They do not care. If this was a poor person they’d tell the family to call them next week if she still doesn’t show.

Especially if the family said she was “jogging” at 4am. Police would assume this was spin for druggy or prostitute.

But according to the rules here they never should have been out at 4am for any reason, so they had it coming, right? Why didn't their husbands keep them home? Not sure what the point of all this grousing is. The cops did their job, and you're mad. The cops don't do their job and you're mad. There's no pleasing some of you.

Apathetic big city cops treat local poors and visitors like absolute dirt. This old money connected family gets results nobody in Memphis has access to. Just the reality. Same day DNA is incredible. If this was a poor victim those flip flops are probably never even retrieved, let alone getting same day DNA testing.

Here we go. Every blonde victim seems to trigger the same refrain on DCUM.

I am a liberal democrat but am getting tired of need to CRAM social justice into every event that occurs.

Since time began, men have been overpowering women to take what they want from them. It is more of a gender crime than a social class story.

Take your blinders off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She's only an heiress if she inherited, or stands to inherit, money or position from her relatives.

On a different note, the company was relatively small for a long time. Revenue today is $3 billion but was $200 million in 1990. Through the seventies and most of the eighties it averaged about half that. Given the low margins in distribution and the low margins in hardware, we can assume this business has never thrown off a lot of cash. I would guess before the company's growth rate increased in the nineties, the company averaged about $3 million in distributable cash each year to its owners. And because the company was founded in 1847, there were probably a lot of owners splitting that.

Although the company grew 20x from the nineties until today, growth is costly, particularly for a distributor which can only grow by increasing inventory and service levels. In a low margin business, increasing inventory means tying up lots of cash. We can conclude that over the last thirty years, the owners decided to invest cash back into the business instead of taking it out in the form of distributions to owners. (It's also possible the company used debt to grow while maintaining payouts to owners, which would factor in to the next part).

Assuming the company is debt-free, the entire thing is worth about $2.5 billion today. But of course none of that is not liquid. I would guess all owners combined take out a total of at most about $20 million per year on a pre-tax basis (substantially all the cash has to be reinvested in the business in order to maintain rapid growth). Whether or not our 'heiress' gets any of those distirbutions depends on whether or not she was given an ownership stake in the business.

But until the business is sold, there is no way for any owners or so-called heirs to get money from the business outside of declared dividends.

Another source of potential wealth for Eliza would be anything left to her directly from her grandfather's estate. Presumably he saved and reinvested his distributions from the business over the decades and those in turn were distributed when his estate settled. However, given that she married her deadbeat loser husband about five year before he died, I would guess that the husband has zero financial incentive to have her dead because something tells me gramps locked that sh*t down when he saw she was marrying outside the family caste to a dude with dirty tats. She was worth far more alive than dead to him and it's not clear how much, if any, money was coming to her since there were no billions lying around.

You’re trying way, way too hard. The family is beyond loaded. This victim’s wedding was clearly several million dollars as documented by a local magazine.

Several million? You’re delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Within Tennessee, more than 100% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Memphis. In fact, after researching dangerous places to live, NeighborhoodScout found Memphis to be one of the top 100 most dangerous cities in the U.S.A.

My oldest son works in logistics and they advise truckers not to stop in Memphis. It’s THAT bad.

NP - I really had no idea, wow. Is it mostly property crime, or violent crime? (Or both?) And why there ?

Here are a few crime stats for Memphis in 2021:
1. Ranked the No. 1 most dangerous city in US
2. Ranked 2nd highest homicide rate in any US metro area
3. Memphis violent crime was 237% higher than the national average
4. Violent crimes in Memphis are 506% higher than the national average
5. Nearly 250 murders, half unsolved

Husband is a real gentleman for letting his wife run around such a town solo at 4 a.m.

Men do not control adult women. At least not in healthy relationships.

Why do you people keep saying he should have kept her inside, let she was his pet or CHILD?!

Because she’s not single. She’s married. And that means he gets to have an opinion about her activities, just as she gets to have one about his.

Maybe he agreed with it? What does it matter?

A husband has a duty to PROTECT his wife and children from harm. It’s not like he was away on a business trip, he’s a tattooed layabout who is home every morning and watched his wife leave at 4am solo to roam the streets of a war zone with practically no clothes on. The husband is a lowlife.

Your thinking is quaint, in a very out of date sort of way.

Adults need to know how to take care of themselves. Men are not our fathers or guards. The contrary sounds rather Taliban (who, by the way, think women are safest when kept in their homes).

I am single. Whose job is it to protect me?? Mine, and law enforcement, just like you.

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Anonymous wrote:She's only an heiress if she inherited, or stands to inherit, money or position from her relatives.

On a different note, the company was relatively small for a long time. Revenue today is $3 billion but was $200 million in 1990. Through the seventies and most of the eighties it averaged about half that. Given the low margins in distribution and the low margins in hardware, we can assume this business has never thrown off a lot of cash. I would guess before the company's growth rate increased in the nineties, the company averaged about $3 million in distributable cash each year to its owners. And because the company was founded in 1847, there were probably a lot of owners splitting that.

Although the company grew 20x from the nineties until today, growth is costly, particularly for a distributor which can only grow by increasing inventory and service levels. In a low margin business, increasing inventory means tying up lots of cash. We can conclude that over the last thirty years, the owners decided to invest cash back into the business instead of taking it out in the form of distributions to owners. (It's also possible the company used debt to grow while maintaining payouts to owners, which would factor in to the next part).

Assuming the company is debt-free, the entire thing is worth about $2.5 billion today. But of course none of that is not liquid. I would guess all owners combined take out a total of at most about $20 million per year on a pre-tax basis (substantially all the cash has to be reinvested in the business in order to maintain rapid growth). Whether or not our 'heiress' gets any of those distirbutions depends on whether or not she was given an ownership stake in the business.

But until the business is sold, there is no way for any owners or so-called heirs to get money from the business outside of declared dividends.

Another source of potential wealth for Eliza would be anything left to her directly from her grandfather's estate. Presumably he saved and reinvested his distributions from the business over the decades and those in turn were distributed when his estate settled. However, given that she married her deadbeat loser husband about five year before he died, I would guess that the husband has zero financial incentive to have her dead because something tells me gramps locked that sh*t down when he saw she was marrying outside the family caste to a dude with dirty tats. She was worth far more alive than dead to him and it's not clear how much, if any, money was coming to her since there were no billions lying around.

You’re trying way, way too hard. The family is beyond loaded. This victim’s wedding was clearly several million dollars as documented by a local magazine.

Several million? You’re delusional.

Agree, looked more like a 75k-125k wedding to me. Beautiful, but no way it cost 1M+

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Someone said she could have just run at the multi million dollar D1 university. Please let me know what university allows non students to use their facilities. If they did, imagine the complaints on the college board from the harpies here.

I can go onto any public college campus (George Mason, for example) and run there, on the campus. No one’s going to say anything.

She ran outside, on sidewalks. She didn’t need a treadmill.

You can’t use their indoor training facility which is what other pp was referring to. Yes we all know you can run outside on campuses.

$100 month for a family membership to University of Memphis athletic facilities.

https://www.memphis.edu/campusrec/membership/index.php

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Anonymous wrote:She's only an heiress if she inherited, or stands to inherit, money or position from her relatives.

On a different note, the company was relatively small for a long time. Revenue today is $3 billion but was $200 million in 1990. Through the seventies and most of the eighties it averaged about half that. Given the low margins in distribution and the low margins in hardware, we can assume this business has never thrown off a lot of cash. I would guess before the company's growth rate increased in the nineties, the company averaged about $3 million in distributable cash each year to its owners. And because the company was founded in 1847, there were probably a lot of owners splitting that.

Although the company grew 20x from the nineties until today, growth is costly, particularly for a distributor which can only grow by increasing inventory and service levels. In a low margin business, increasing inventory means tying up lots of cash. We can conclude that over the last thirty years, the owners decided to invest cash back into the business instead of taking it out in the form of distributions to owners. (It's also possible the company used debt to grow while maintaining payouts to owners, which would factor in to the next part).

Assuming the company is debt-free, the entire thing is worth about $2.5 billion today. But of course none of that is not liquid. I would guess all owners combined take out a total of at most about $20 million per year on a pre-tax basis (substantially all the cash has to be reinvested in the business in order to maintain rapid growth). Whether or not our 'heiress' gets any of those distirbutions depends on whether or not she was given an ownership stake in the business.

But until the business is sold, there is no way for any owners or so-called heirs to get money from the business outside of declared dividends.

Another source of potential wealth for Eliza would be anything left to her directly from her grandfather's estate. Presumably he saved and reinvested his distributions from the business over the decades and those in turn were distributed when his estate settled. However, given that she married her deadbeat loser husband about five year before he died, I would guess that the husband has zero financial incentive to have her dead because something tells me gramps locked that sh*t down when he saw she was marrying outside the family caste to a dude with dirty tats. She was worth far more alive than dead to him and it's not clear how much, if any, money was coming to her since there were no billions lying around.

You’re trying way, way too hard. The family is beyond loaded. This victim’s wedding was clearly several million dollars as documented by a local magazine.

Several million? You’re delusional.

Agree, looked more like a 75k-125k wedding to me. Beautiful, but no way it cost 1M+

Agree it likely wasn’t several million dollars, but it would have been a no expenses spared Memphis/southern society wedding with hundreds of guests. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was close to a million based on the pictures, description, and the families money.

the mother of the brides dress was likely 3k alone.

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The husband blamers and the ones who wrote “he had to have done it” are suddenly silent.

Memphis just isn’t a bunch of statistics. There are many places to run that feel safe even at 4:30!

Random criminals are everywhere.

Such sad white privilege in this thread.

There was those random snipers in the DC metro 20 years ago in some of the “safest” areas.

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My grandfather was a multi millionaire when he died right before I was born in the late 60’s. He left no money to his family other than to support his wife. Nothing for the kids or grandkids as the rest when to various charities.

You people assume so much about the victim. The misogyny directed towards her is disgusting and very racist!

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It's sad women can't run alone. Too many sicko perverts out in the world. I gave up running because of this.

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Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.