Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s your DC elitism speaking. Not everyone goes to college. Who’s to say she wasn’t going to go after she returned?

Also, Thousands of people tour/Road trip/camp/backpack the US in a van or RV every year. Doesn’t make you homeless. It’s not just for millennials.

My friend from high school didn’t go straight to college and screwed around for a couple of years. She followed a minor league baseball player to spring training in Canada. She lived with me for a bit. Worked at hooters. She’s now the CFO of a small bank and making 450k.

You are so dam snobby and judgey.

DP.

Just 6.7 % of the population earns some sort of college degree, worldwide. A greater percentage attempt college, but fail to complete any degree.

Oh yeah, nice touch adding in populations from Afghanistan and Sri Lanka to your totals. Of course its that low globally.

Now how low is it for Americans who have every privilege in life?

I'll answer for you: Nearly 94 million, or 42%, of Americans ages 25 and over have a college degree of some type.

So it's college or death then? I'm not sure how Gabby's college plans are relevant here.

[Anonymous]

people are arrested in hospitals for seeking medical treatment after being injured in committing a crime every single day. the doctors and nurses will 100% let law enforcement know, especially in a car of a nationwide manhunt. Stop being stupid. There are exceptions to Hippa. It’s not some ironclad agreement if silence.

[Anonymous]

Did everyone miss the fact that Gabby worked as a pharmacy technician to save up her share of the money to make this trip? So, she did have a job and in many states that job requires certification. Yes, you only need a high school diploma to get the training, but she wasn't just sitting around not working for years and years, as some posters seem to think she was.

Second, I love how so many posters think the parents could have completely controlled Gabby. "Why did Gabby’s parents allow her to move in with Brian’s family ? Why can’t she stay on her own or with her own family , go to college, start a career path ? Why is she not finding those supports at home ? Something isn’t right there ."

She was in love. She wanted to be with the guy. She was 22. The parents can't force her to move back to New York. I know a lot of parents with daughters several years younger who have tried unsuccessfully to get them away from guys they thought were bad news. And please note that her parents are divorced and her father recently moved to Florida "to be closer to his daughter." So, maybe he did have concerns, but all he could do was move close to her and let her know he and his wife were there for her if things with Brian fell apart. He may also been able to see and talk with her regularly so he could assess how she was coping with her anxiety and OCD. In all honesty, I don't know what more he could have done with a 22 year old daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people are arrested in hospitals for seeking medical treatment after being injured in committing a crime every single day. the doctors and nurses will 100% let law enforcement know, especially in a car of a nationwide manhunt. Stop being stupid. There are exceptions to Hippa. It’s not some ironclad agreement if silence.

She has committed no crime. If she committed herself and said tell no one, they can’t.
There’s an exception if law enforcement makes a request, but if they don’t know she’s there, no request.

Again, not saying it’s probable at all, but it can, and does happen.

[Anonymous]

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/special/emergency/final_hipaa_guide_law_enforcement.pdf



“A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individual’s signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including:
To respond to a request for PHI for purposes of identifying or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness or missing person, but the information must be limited to basic demographic and health information about the person.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:people are arrested in hospitals for seeking medical treatment after being injured in committing a crime every single day. the doctors and nurses will 100% let law enforcement know, especially in a car of a nationwide manhunt. Stop being stupid. There are exceptions to Hippa. It’s not some ironclad agreement if silence.

She has committed no crime. If she committed herself and said tell no one, they can’t.
There’s an exception if law enforcement makes a request, but if they don’t know she’s there, no request.

Again, not saying it’s probable at all, but it can, and does happen.

NOPE, you are WRONG

[Anonymous]

Haven't commented in a while. What's bugging me...

Investigators quickly ruled out any connection to the double murder in Moab, despite G&B frequenting Moonflower. The murderer hasn't been found.

I watched the entire bodycam video, and remember every detail. Officer Robinson took G&B cell numbers before sending them to cool off for 24 hours. I'll check video again, but I think ALSO gave them his cell# in case they needed to reach him.

G made it very clear to Robinson that she feared driving the van alone, and rarely for long distances. She also needed reassurance that B's hotel was close enough because she didn't want to drive far to pick him up in morning.

She was upset and lashed out physically when B kept telling her to calm down. I believe he locked her out of the van to separate physically from her. From other forums and IIRC in bodycam video, he'd physically distance from her during blow up fights. She stated she was afraid he'd drive away. If this was his pattern, she clearly feared abandonment. I just don't think she'd take off alone unless she befriended others when he was gone from 8/17-8/23.

The conversation between Officer Robinson and Brian on the way to hotel drop off was casual, mostly about various trails they've experienced. Oddly, officer R discussed his wife's severe anxiety, confirmed it's best to separate from eachother, shower to calm down etc. He suggested G grab a shower at some campsite, weird. He disclosed that his wife eventually agreed to anxiety meds and "it made a world of difference." B's responses to Robinson's chit chat were vanilla. No real reaction, agreement or disagreement...as if he wasn't taking the bait to say more about his or G's relationship, anxiety, OCD.

What's my point? I don't know. B's silence fits his guarded persona. On the surface, it's small talk, avoidance, and fleeing confrontation. They both seem meek. They both seem to supress their mental struggles and emotion until it erupts into her lashing out. His MO is to walk, drive, fly away. Now he's fled from his parents home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/special/emergency/final_hipaa_guide_law_enforcement.pdf



“A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individual’s signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including:
To respond to a request for PHI for purposes of identifying or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness or missing person, but the information must be limited to basic demographic and health information about the person.”

Correct, notice where it says "a request". With no request, they just can’t tell someone. If no one knows you’re in there, no request is made. The hospital can not just decide to say something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:people are arrested in hospitals for seeking medical treatment after being injured in committing a crime every single day. the doctors and nurses will 100% let law enforcement know, especially in a car of a nationwide manhunt. Stop being stupid. There are exceptions to Hippa. It’s not some ironclad agreement if silence.

She has committed no crime. If she committed herself and said tell no one, they can’t.
There’s an exception if law enforcement makes a request, but if they don’t know she’s there, no request.

Again, not saying it’s probable at all, but it can, and does happen.

NOPE, you are WRONG

Show me where they can with no request from law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did everyone miss the fact that Gabby worked as a pharmacy technician to save up her share of the money to make this trip? So, she did have a job and in many states that job requires certification. Yes, you only need a high school diploma to get the training, but she wasn't just sitting around not working for years and years, as some posters seem to think she was.

Second, I love how so many posters think the parents could have completely controlled Gabby. "Why did Gabby’s parents allow her to move in with Brian’s family ? Why can’t she stay on her own or with her own family , go to college, start a career path ? Why is she not finding those supports at home ? Something isn’t right there ."

She was in love. She wanted to be with the guy. She was 22. The parents can't force her to move back to New York. I know a lot of parents with daughters several years younger who have tried unsuccessfully to get them away from guys they thought were bad news. And please note that her parents are divorced and her father recently moved to Florida "to be closer to his daughter." So, maybe he did have concerns, but all he could do was move close to her and let her know he and his wife were there for her if things with Brian fell apart. He may also been able to see and talk with her regularly so he could assess how she was coping with her anxiety and OCD. In all honesty, I don't know what more he could have done with a 22 year old daughter.

Lol that’s just one person posting over and over again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The boyfriend is now missing. No one has seen him since Tuesday and police have opened a missing person investigation.

He is HIDING. Not missing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boyfriend is now missing. No one has seen him since Tuesday and police have opened a missing person investigation.

He is HIDING. Not missing.

He probably has completed suicide somewhere...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haven't commented in a while. What's bugging me...

Investigators quickly ruled out any connection to the double murder in Moab, despite G&B frequenting Moonflower. The murderer hasn't been found.

I watched the entire bodycam video, and remember every detail. Officer Robinson took G&B cell numbers before sending them to cool off for 24 hours. I'll check video again, but I think ALSO gave them his cell# in case they needed to reach him.

G made it very clear to Robinson that she feared driving the van alone, and rarely for long distances. She also needed reassurance that B's hotel was close enough because she didn't want to drive far to pick him up in morning.

She was upset and lashed out physically when B kept telling her to calm down. I believe he locked her out of the van to separate physically from her. From other forums and IIRC in bodycam video, he'd physically distance from her during blow up fights. She stated she was afraid he'd drive away. If this was his pattern, she clearly feared abandonment. I just don't think she'd take off alone unless she befriended others when he was gone from 8/17-8/23.

The conversation between Officer Robinson and Brian on the way to hotel drop off was casual, mostly about various trails they've experienced. Oddly, officer R discussed his wife's severe anxiety, confirmed it's best to separate from eachother, shower to calm down etc. He suggested G grab a shower at some campsite, weird. He disclosed that his wife eventually agreed to anxiety meds and "it made a world of difference." B's responses to Robinson's chit chat were vanilla. No real reaction, agreement or disagreement...as if he wasn't taking the bait to say more about his or G's relationship, anxiety, OCD.

What's my point? I don't know. B's silence fits his guarded persona. On the surface, it's small talk, avoidance, and fleeing confrontation. They both seem meek. They both seem to supress their mental struggles and emotion until it erupts into her lashing out. His MO is to walk, drive, fly away. Now he's fled from his parents home.

He's from a family of lawyers so he knows enough to keep his mouth shut when "Small talking" with police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

It is-called nature. Vast expanses of nature.

Who would pay to have cell service there (rural America does not even have it), and who wants cell towers in pristine forests. You seem rather clueless.

We were in Moab, Utah in late August. https://www.discovermoab.com/ It is freaking beautiful there and while there is little/no cell reception in the parks, the town of Moab is your usual tourist trap with great cell reception and every fast food joint known to man.

Any undertaking that requires a Federal license or funding, such as cell phone towers from the FCC, has to undergo environmental review. There is often a reason they aren't permitted to build them there.... although usually you can just do some sort of mitigation and get away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/special/emergency/final_hipaa_guide_law_enforcement.pdf



“A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individual’s signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including:
To respond to a request for PHI for purposes of identifying or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness or missing person, but the information must be limited to basic demographic and health information about the person.”

Correct, notice where it says "a request". With no request, they just can’t tell someone. If no one knows you’re in there, no request is made. The hospital can not just decide to say something.

So the entire medical staff, non medical staff and volunteers working at this facility don’t watch the tv or listen to radio and have no heard of the nationwide manhunt for Gabby? And if anyone at the hospital knows she is there they will absolutely say something. They would not remain quite regardless if Hippa was involved or not. Just stop. You look ridiculous.