Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if your child had a friend who was a minority, you would not invite that child to a party because there is "potential" trouble inviting that kid to a private pool? See...here is the issue. I do not see what trouble could arise other than some busybody making a comment. Which, if this is my child's friend, I will stand up and respond to. I do not care what color they are. What kind of example are you setting for your child? Keep quiet if one of your friends is treated unjustly? You may be able to live in peace, but your child is the one who is going to have to face her friend everyday in school. And these are just children! No way I would put my own child or her friend through that. Belonging to "the club" is just not that important to me (and I DO belong to a private pool that, thankfully, has a number of AA families).

This is where we part. I don't have a private pool. I don't belong to a private club. I live among many black people, not 'a number of AA families'. Where I stand, it's more important to keep your nose clean and avoid any blemish on your personal record the best way you can. We, the great unwashed, have to keep it real. We don't have lawyers on retainer to deal with potential civil suits from angry moms of allegedly mistreated kids.

I oversee a very diverse group of people at work. Racial conflict is not common, but it surfaces once in a while. Not once have I heard a substantiated claim from a black employee who complained about 'racism'. I have to deal with the fallout, because it's my job. But I want to spare my kid this insanity. Go ahead, judge and label me all you want; it is irrelevant to me. Because my child is a white male, it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do. When push comes to shove, he will be deemed the root of all evil by default. I have to teach my child to stay away for his own sake. I have seen too many lives practically ruined over false allegations. My child deserves better.

I am the PP here and I respect your honesty. TBH, if you were a parent in my circle, this would break my heart. What you are implictly doing is discouraging your son from having any meaningful social interaction with folks of other backgrounds because of fear about something that likely will not even happen. Your son DOES deserve better - he deserves to be able to have friends based on what type of people they are, shared common interests and genuine friendship. You are burdening him with YOUR prejudices and biases. I am not judging you and you are labelling yourself. You think you are helping your son and saving him from something. I disagree. I think you are denying him an opportunity because of your own issues.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

What is your problem? How do you think the mothers of black males who have been shot on sight while holding toy guns feel? I bet they feel a lot worse than a mother whose greatest fear is a frivolous lawsuit.

About my so-called "emotional inference"? The poster whose quotes you claimed I was "emotionally" inferring, eventually wrote this: "I, personally, am defending his actions." Indeed, I was inferring, but not emotionally. I correctly understood what the poster was implying. I assume that you will be too emotionally-invested to concede that I was correct about the poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I had been that police officer I would have shot every person there who didn't get down on the ground the way I told them to. People, all people need to respect cops. If I don't follow an officers orders I would only assume I would be killed.

PP who is the wife of the LEO.

Your post is utterly ridiculous! BTW, hotheads make bad cops and put other cops in danger. Cops don't want them on the force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Easy to critique police after the fact. A thankless job becoming even more difficult in this day and age.

I think most of you would feel differently if one your kids ended up working in this profession. It only takes one mistake or slip up to end up dead, think about that before you spew your all knowing crap about how they should or should not act.

But...HIS OWN CHIEF criticized him after the fact and it is likely that his fellow officers did not back him up. And people have been praising the 10+ other officers on the scene who acted appropriately. So I am really not buying this pity the officer crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Er, the FOP has not come in to defend this officer's actions. That speaks volumes. Police chief said that the officer was ramped up before he arrived on the scene. It's apparent that the other 11 or 12 officers at the scene did not approve and back this officer's actions, that's why he resigned in lieu of termination.

+1. I just cannot understand how and why people cannot see this.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

What is your problem? How do you think the mothers of black males who have been shot on sight while holding toy guns feel? I bet they feel a lot worse than a mother whose greatest fear is a frivolous lawsuit.

About my so-called "emotional inference"? The poster whose quotes you claimed I was "emotionally" inferring, eventually wrote this: "I, personally, am defending his actions." Indeed, I was inferring, but not emotionally. I correctly understood what the poster was implying. I assume that you will be too emotionally-invested to concede that I was correct about the poster.

OMG, are you insane? Where in the world is the person who would dare to minimize the senseless tragedy of a shot child? I am not the one who put it in one sentense with being followed in the store. I am not the one who blabbers her mouth about the future when someone's child will be shot on sight. Get a grip. The only thing you can do now is admit you said something awfully stupid and apologize.

As far as the inference, I was not going to address other posters' claims. I was hoping to dispell some misconceptions about what I wrote, because you seem to infer a lot and make conclusions not grounded in reality of what's been said. It doesn't matter anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Flash mob? Unruly kids? Disrespecting an officer?

Other than the ONE teen girl who may have made a smart comment, what are you guys seeing/hearing that I'm not with the other black teens on video?

And have you never heard of or been apart of a pool party with white teens being "unruly"? When white, is this behavior downgraded to "having a great time"?

You did not read the article? watch the news? there was a flash party with kids climbing fences to get in and out of the pool.

what in the heezy is a flash party??
Do you mean flash mob?
Do you even know what a flash mob is?
Because this event did not fit the definition of a flash mob.
Did all these kids show up and start dancing to a pre-choreographed routine?
It was a party genius!
A party with too many damn people more than likely, but at this point no one has verified exactly how many and who was invited and who was not.

A flash party is a party that is posted on social media and kids show up for a party in a random public (and sometimes not public) place.
No I don't mean flash mob.
yes I know what a flash mob is.
Correct, this was not a flash mob.
No they did not.
It was a party, that was advertised on social media that was not authorized to be where it was located, genius!
There was a party planned by 2 girls (sisters, their mom was there) and a flash party as well. It is clear from new reports what went on, you should educate yourself then come back and comment.

Thanks for the info about "flash party". But at this point, the girl and mom say they did NOT advertise on the internet. They say that was not them who did that.
And too many kids or not, how did that justify Barney Fife throwing that girl around? It does not matter what happened 15 minutes before. In that moment, what in the hell justifies what he did??? He said leave, she left. She made a smart ass remark(not illegal and not stopping her from continuing to leave) and he grabbed her. She's on the ground and his dumb ass is telling her to get on the ground -- WHERE SHE ALREADY IS!!!
The kid is crying to call her mother !!!!
When Deputy dog pulls out his gun on the boys who run over -- THE OTHER OFFICERS CONTAIN DEPUTY DOG ! His own captain says he did not follow procedure.
DONE! All 11 of the other officers were speaking calmly to the kids, the kids were following orders and then Corporal Bitch Ass comes somersaulting in. Great Job!

Correct, the mom and girl had a party IN ADDITION, somebody advertised a flash party in the same general location, not sure if it was for outside the pool in the neighborhood and kids started "crashing" the pool party or if the party was to be in the pool area.

Nobody is justifying what the police officer did, what he did was wrong, he should be counseled, but he quit so that is a moot point.

When you get arrested, black/white/orange/green you are usually thrown to the ground, i personally was thrown against a car, but it is usually the ground.
SERIOUSLY -- PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THROWN TO THE GROUND WHEN THEY ARE ARRESTED -- IN WHAT REALITY?? I HOPE TO GOODNESS YOU ARE NOT LEO!
Lots of people scream all kinds of shit when they get arrested.

Yes the other officers obviously were having a better day, nobody disputes that. (I guess 2 suicide calls got to "Corporal Bitch Ass"... wonder how the parents of the suicide victims perceive "Corporal Bitch Ass")

So, the dude had a bad day, it has ruined his career, that does not make him a psychotic racist. It also does not mean the kids are NOT spoiled entitled pieces of shit.
SO THE GROWN ASS MAN JUST HAD A BAD DAY BUT THE KIDS ARE "PIECES OF SHIT"
I believe the kids can be wrong and the police office can be wrong, one wrong does not cancel out the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flash mob? Unruly kids? Disrespecting an officer?

Other than the ONE teen girl who may have made a smart comment, what are you guys seeing/hearing that I'm not with the other black teens on video?

And have you never heard of or been apart of a pool party with white teens being "unruly"? When white, is this behavior downgraded to "having a great time"?

You did not read the article? watch the news? there was a flash party with kids climbing fences to get in and out of the pool.

what in the heezy is a flash party??
Do you mean flash mob?
Do you even know what a flash mob is?
Because this event did not fit the definition of a flash mob.
Did all these kids show up and start dancing to a pre-choreographed routine?
It was a party genius!
A party with too many damn people more than likely, but at this point no one has verified exactly how many and who was invited and who was not.

A flash party is a party that is posted on social media and kids show up for a party in a random public (and sometimes not public) place.
No I don't mean flash mob.
yes I know what a flash mob is.
Correct, this was not a flash mob.
No they did not.
It was a party, that was advertised on social media that was not authorized to be where it was located, genius!
There was a party planned by 2 girls (sisters, their mom was there) and a flash party as well. It is clear from new reports what went on, you should educate yourself then come back and comment.

Thanks for the info about "flash party". But at this point, the girl and mom say they did NOT advertise on the internet. They say that was not them who did that.
And too many kids or not, how did that justify Barney Fife throwing that girl around? It does not matter what happened 15 minutes before. In that moment, what in the hell justifies what he did??? He said leave, she left. She made a smart ass remark(not illegal and not stopping her from continuing to leave) and he grabbed her. She's on the ground and his dumb ass is telling her to get on the ground -- WHERE SHE ALREADY IS!!!
The kid is crying to call her mother !!!!
When Deputy dog pulls out his gun on the boys who run over -- THE OTHER OFFICERS CONTAIN DEPUTY DOG ! His own captain says he did not follow procedure.
DONE! All 11 of the other officers were speaking calmly to the kids, the kids were following orders and then Corporal Bitch Ass comes somersaulting in. Great Job!

Correct, the mom and girl had a party IN ADDITION, somebody advertised a flash party in the same general location, not sure if it was for outside the pool in the neighborhood and kids started "crashing" the pool party or if the party was to be in the pool area.

Nobody is justifying what the police officer did, what he did was wrong, he should be counseled, but he quit so that is a moot point.

When you get arrested, black/white/orange/green you are usually thrown to the ground, i personally was thrown against a car, but it is usually the ground.
SERIOUSLY -- PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THROWN TO THE GROUND WHEN THEY ARE ARRESTED -- IN WHAT REALITY?? I HOPE TO GOODNESS YOU ARE NOT LEO!
Lots of people scream all kinds of shit when they get arrested.

Yes the other officers obviously were having a better day, nobody disputes that. (I guess 2 suicide calls got to "Corporal Bitch Ass"... wonder how the parents of the suicide victims perceive "Corporal Bitch Ass")

So, the dude had a bad day, it has ruined his career, that does not make him a psychotic racist. It also does not mean the kids are NOT spoiled entitled pieces of shit.
SO THE GROWN ASS MAN JUST HAD A BAD DAY BUT THE KIDS ARE "PIECES OF SHIT"
I believe the kids can be wrong and the police office can be wrong, one wrong does not cancel out the other.

SERIOUSLY - PEOPLE JUST POLITELY GET ARRESTED. IN WHAT REALITY???? I HOPE TO GOODNESS YOU ARE NOT LEO OR YOU WILL BE SHOT YOUR FIRST WEEKEND ON THE JOB.

SO FINALLY YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE KIDS ACTIONS. No, I don't think they are pieces of shit but it finally got you thinking though ... right? What are the kids? How should they be dealt with? What do you think their consequences should be.

The cop lost his job. What about the teens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy to critique police after the fact. A thankless job becoming even more difficult in this day and age.

I think most of you would feel differently if one your kids ended up working in this profession. It only takes one mistake or slip up to end up dead, think about that before you spew your all knowing crap about how they should or should not act.

But...HIS OWN CHIEF criticized him after the fact and it is likely that his fellow officers did not back him up. And people have been praising the 10+ other officers on the scene who acted appropriately. So I am really not buying this pity the officer crap.

Because they do not want riots in McKinney, they donot want protests and looting-this is called damage control!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because the white man caused all this-even the bad behavior of the black teens!