Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

What is your problem? How do you think the mothers of black males who have been shot on sight while holding toy guns feel? I bet they feel a lot worse than a mother whose greatest fear is a frivolous lawsuit.

About my so-called "emotional inference"? The poster whose quotes you claimed I was "emotionally" inferring, eventually wrote this: "I, personally, am defending his actions." Indeed, I was inferring, but not emotionally. I correctly understood what the poster was implying. I assume that you will be too emotionally-invested to concede that I was correct about the poster.

OMG, are you insane? Where in the world is the person who would dare to minimize the senseless tragedy of a shot child? I am not the one who put it in one sentense with being followed in the store. I am not the one who blabbers her mouth about the future when someone's child will be shot on sight. Get a grip. The only thing you can do now is admit you said something awfully stupid and apologize.

As far as the inference, I was not going to address other posters' claims. I was hoping to dispell some misconceptions about what I wrote, because you seem to infer a lot and make conclusions not grounded in reality of what's been said. It doesn't matter anymore.

Word of advice: Never begin a burst of senseless, incomprehensible, babble like this by asking someone else if they are insane. It only increases the impression that you are detached from reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easy to critique police after the fact. A thankless job becoming even more difficult in this day and age.

I think most of you would feel differently if one your kids ended up working in this profession. It only takes one mistake or slip up to end up dead, think about that before you spew your all knowing crap about how they should or should not act.

But...HIS OWN CHIEF criticized him after the fact and it is likely that his fellow officers did not back him up. And people have been praising the 10+ other officers on the scene who acted appropriately. So I am really not buying this pity the officer crap.

Because they do not want riots in McKinney, they donot want protests and looting-this is called damage control!

Really? Are you sure it's not because they actually think that his behavior was indefensible, as they've stated on the record several times? It HAS to be damage control because it's not possible for one cop to believe that another cop is wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

Not the poster you are responding to, but how do you think those mothers whose sons were shot on sight while holding a toy gun felt? Your logic is so twisted. Reality check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

Not the poster you are responding to, but how do you think those mothers whose sons were shot on sight while holding a toy gun felt? Your logic is so twisted. Reality check.

+1. You do know that some mothers actually lost their children to policeman who shot them while holding a toy gun.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

What is your problem? How do you think the mothers of black males who have been shot on sight while holding toy guns feel? I bet they feel a lot worse than a mother whose greatest fear is a frivolous lawsuit.

About my so-called "emotional inference"? The poster whose quotes you claimed I was "emotionally" inferring, eventually wrote this: "I, personally, am defending his actions." Indeed, I was inferring, but not emotionally. I correctly understood what the poster was implying. I assume that you will be too emotionally-invested to concede that I was correct about the poster.

OMG, are you insane? Where in the world is the person who would dare to minimize the senseless tragedy of a shot child? I am not the one who put it in one sentense with being followed in the store. I am not the one who blabbers her mouth about the future when someone's child will be shot on sight. Get a grip. The only thing you can do now is admit you said something awfully stupid and apologize.

As far as the inference, I was not going to address other posters' claims. I was hoping to dispell some misconceptions about what I wrote, because you seem to infer a lot and make conclusions not grounded in reality of what's been said. It doesn't matter anymore.

Word of advice: Never begin a burst of senseless, incomprehensible, babble like this by asking someone else if they are insane. It only increases the impression that you are detached from reality.

So, no apology, I guess. I was hoping you'd man up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
When your white male son is <...> shot on sight while holding a toy gun <...> then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Wow, really? How did it make you feel to say something like this to a mother of a child? Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you go ahead and blow yourself right out of the water.

I was actually going to spend some time trying to explain why your 'emotional inference' is not doing you any justice, but you nipped that right in the bud. Way to go.

Not the poster you are responding to, but how do you think those mothers whose sons were shot on sight while holding a toy gun felt? Your logic is so twisted. Reality check.

+1. You do know that some mothers actually lost their children to policeman who shot them while holding a toy gun.

I do know that. I don't know why this was brought into the thread on par with being followed in the store.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

How do you know which kids deserve which consequences (and what consequences)? Some of the kids had passes and did nothing wrong by going to the pool. Some apparently came to the general area, but didn't enter the pool with or without permission. Some seem to have jumped the fence to the pool. I don't see where members of the first two groups deserve any consequences given they were simply caught up in a larger event. But, if I accept that the members of the third group deserve consequences, can they even be identified? If so, what is the consequence for jumping a fence to a pool? Basically, that's the sort of thing that normally gets you a stern talking to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

You do know that all posted accounts of that fight say that the WOMAN assaulted the girl.
Yea -- so what consequences should she get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

In this situation, yes, I "think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin" because this is an incident in which the color of people's skin was partially the base for the incident occurring at all. There were demonstrable differences in the treatment of the white teenagers vs. the black ones. The white adults who were upset about the large influx of teenagers instigated this with their racial slurs.

I don't think that everything is a racist incident, but when an incident is clearly a racist incident, yes, I'm going to say that it is. I do not understand why you do not see this for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

+100.

So obvious, yet somehow so difficult for some to process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

+100.

So obvious, yet somehow so difficult for some to process.

What are you talking about? What did black person do that a white person did the exact same thing but for which the black person escaped the consequences...what?
What, in this incident, did a white person get punished for but the black person did not????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

+1. My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the officer's actions even after all that you mentioned. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "SOME of the teens were in the wrong, but this officer was out of control." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that the ONLY officer who acted like this was acting approprately. It is baffling. Seriously.

My problem is that there are people on here STILL defending the teen's actions. You know, I could even deal with someone saying "the officer was obviously not in control but the teens need to have consequences because what they did was wrong." But for whatever reason, people are STILL clinging to the thought that teens will be teens and the only reason they were called to the pools is because the teens were black not because they were out of control.

But the kids weren't out of control. The girl was asked to leave and she was leaving. Making a smart ass comment is not out of control. It's disrespectful, sure, but I actually do not believe that the girl was out of line when instructed by an officer to "get your asses out of here." If a cop said that to me, I would also make a smart remark. She was following his (crude) instructions to leave and he prevented her from doing that.

The actions of the teens before this officer arrived on the scene are not at issue, nor is it clear what exactly was going on at that time. What IS clear is that Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior escalated from there. Your repeated attempts to make this about the teenagers are off base.

Why can this be true Casebolt arrived on the scene agitated and his behavior aescalated for there... .AND

the teens were out of control, they created a mob situation, they were running from the police, a menace to the neighborhood, were running up behind a cop who was trying to arrest somebody, and were resisting arrest.

Why can't both be true.. why is it one or the other?

Because every time you say "...but the teens were out of control too" that is a tacit excusing of Casebolt's overreaction. None of the things you listed justify that overreaction. There were also a number of other things that happened that you seem to be carefully ignoring, like the white woman and her racist remarks and her physical assault on the organizer of the pool party. When you repeatedly bring up teenagers who were not out of control being out of control, while downplaying the actions of adults who were actually out of control, you are part of the problem.

No. it does not. Casebolt was overreacting AND... the teens should have consequences. I am not justifying his overreaction. But I am not supporting your overreaction either.

I also think if somebody physically assaulted somebody (black/white/orange/green) it should be investigated. Also the girl pulling the woman's hair in the video, should be investigated. I think the organizer of the flash party should be investigated. Anybody that was doing something illegal should have consequences.

Unfortunately or fortunately (if you believe in freedom of speech) saying racist stuff is not illegal. The woman seems like trash. That is not illegal though, I don't support her.

You are part of the problem because you think that actions should be taken based on the color of peoples skin. If a "white" women assaulted somebody... what about her. But a "black" person does the same, you don't care. Everybody needs to have consequences.

I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

+100.

So obvious, yet somehow so difficult for some to process.

Freedom of speech does not mean what you think it means. Plus, if it is not illegal to run your mouth, why did Casebolt grab the girl? Please to explain!?

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Anonymous wrote:
You do know that all posted accounts of that fight say that the WOMAN assaulted the girl.
Yea -- so what consequences should she get?

It turns out the woman is getting some consequences -- though it may just turn out to be paid leave. She was just placed on administrative leave by here employer:

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/06/teen-who-mckinney-officer-pulled-gun-on-questions-why-he-was-arrested.html/

"CoreLogic does not condone violence, discrimination or harassment and takes conduct that is inconsistent with our values and expectations very seriously," her employer, CoreLogic, said in a statement Tuesday. "As a result of these pending allegations, we have placed the employee in question on administrative leave while further investigations take place."

Though, I have to admit to not being enthusiastic about employees being punished for what they did on their personal time.