My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:Every district should have two designated classrooms for each grade level for behavioral problems, split between various schools within the district. One for kids learning at grade level but unable to keep it together in class and one for the kids that have behavior issues plus learning delay

We already these classrooms in virtual school.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Hilarious as my kid is one of those SN kids. But the public is a joke so we don't go there.

Does your kid have major externalizing behaviors?

No, so my kid is not a threat to others but can get extremely distracted when there is chaos in the background and can't focus or be in a position to learn. There is a kid in their class now with an aide and that child also doesn't act out in a major distracting violent way. So it's just avoiding SN kids but seeking out an appropriate environment so they can succeed as well without being ignored or lost in the shuffle. You get what you pay for.

my point is that it is not possible and/or affordable to find a private school for a SN kid with behaviors. not sure why that is so hard for you to understand.

My point which you will not understand is for wealthy people with options then need to exercise those options. We can talk past each other all day long because we're not talking about the same thing which you can't accept for some reason.

Why the f do you think it is relevant to post about how the super wealthy should handle SN? You may as well post about how we should all have magic fairies come teach our kids to behave.

And FWIW this stuff isn’t simple for rich people. You actually can’t always throw money at it. And it can be a trap too - there are schools that are happy to take your money and abuse your kid (like Paris Hilton).

Because someone posted pages back about wealthy parents fighting the schools about supports, aides, etc etc when they could meet their kids needs on their own but refuse to because of the flimsy "free and appropriate" promise. I wouldn't play games with my kids education like that. I think that's a waste of time and resources and arguing with me back and forth about what middle class people do instead is really wasting your time. I said what I said about wealthy people and their resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Every district should have two designated classrooms for each grade level for behavioral problems, split between various schools within the district. One for kids learning at grade level but unable to keep it together in class and one for the kids that have behavior issues plus learning delay

We already these classrooms in virtual school.

But we learned from the pandemic that most parents don't want their children at home so virtual should not be the only way for this option.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing
well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

So, you are okay with violent children endangering others? In fact, you appear to be advocating for it. You think that other parents should just happily allow it because you won't take responsibility for your child's actions?

Omg talking to posters like you is like trying to get through to a brick wall.

Of course I’m not okay with it. And I don’t have a child throwing chairs so no, I don’t have any responsibility to take for this.

But I’m capable of carrying two thoughts in my head. I can both believe that the status quo isn’t working and *also* think we need to better serve these violent children without the need to blame the parents.

Why are you unable to manage complex thinking?

NP here, and the idea that parents are not responsible for the minors' actions is unreasonable.

I hope you have typically developing kids, or your kids will be abused by you.

I doubt he’d be able to stay around long enough to abuse them. He’d just abandon them, just as he’s proposing that schools and society do.

Parents need to know their kids and not put them in unsafe situations. It traumatizes both the kids and their classmates. Set them up to succeed, get them therapy, and do the right thing. In-person public school is a bad decision for many kids with behavior issues.

Even when it is a “bad decision,” it may be the best or only option. In many cases these are kids the school is capable of handling— the school may just not be willing to provide the necessary supports. And in cases where the school legitimately can’t handle them, the parents may be struggling to get the school to agree to an alternative placement.

Or, equally likely, the parents are actively fighting the school and refusing any sort of alternative placement, because they are dead set on the idea that their child would be fine if only everyone catered to them.

No, that’s not equally likely. The school district does not want to send kids to self-contained programs, partly because of LRE, but mostly because of cost and resources. And I don’t know anyone that’s fought a placement to a more supportive environment after attempts to bring in supports to the general education environment have failed. But many, many parents of kids with special needs can describe how hard it is to get the schools to provide those supports in the first place.

It’s still not equally likely, but there are some parents in denial about the situation and refuse assessments and special education services. And that’s a horrible situation for all the kids involved.

This routinely happens in top school districts. The parents, often well educated white collar workers, are in denial about the severity of their child’s condition. They don’t like the stigma, they don’t want their kids to be segregated, they are thinking about college admissions. Many believe with therapy and age they will “grow out of it”. It is mind boggling.

Liar. I’ve literally never heard of this. Read the SN board. It’s the opposite- parents fighting to get kids into Bridge or the high functioning Autism programs in MoCo.

Well, you have very limited knowledge. This happens routinely. In fact my neighbors, HHI $1M+, are paying 75k for top boarding school for their neurotypical kid and paid thousands to a lawyer to keep their SN, on the spectrum kid in public. Requested and got an Aide plus tons of other accommodations. A good private will not have the SN kid and the parents refuse spec ed school.

You have zero clue. Sounds like they did a good job getting what their kid needs.

You just proved my point. Almost all well to do parents of SN kids want a good public school with scaffolding. They are in denial and don’t want the stigma of segregated Sped Ed. You will say they know their kid better than me. Sure, but they also have a very biased perception.

Their daughter is in 8th grade and stims
a lot, sometimes throws tantrums. No clue how the other kids in her classes are coping.

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As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Every district should have two designated classrooms for each grade level for behavioral problems, split between various schools within the district. One for kids learning at grade level but unable to keep it together in class and one for the kids that have behavior issues plus learning delay

We already these classrooms in virtual school.

But we learned from the pandemic that most parents don't want their children at home so virtual should not be the only way for this option.

Well too bad. If your child has problems severe enough they aren’t safe in class and are impeding the learning of others, the school should have the right to say virtual class or find your own private school

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

Your expertise with Spec Ed does not mean you are better informed or unbiased when it comes to addressing the needs of the neurotypical student who has to bear the brunt of these situations.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing
well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

So, you are okay with violent children endangering others? In fact, you appear to be advocating for it. You think that other parents should just happily allow it because you won't take responsibility for your child's actions?

Omg talking to posters like you is like trying to get through to a brick wall.

Of course I’m not okay with it. And I don’t have a child throwing chairs so no, I don’t have any responsibility to take for this.

But I’m capable of carrying two thoughts in my head. I can both believe that the status quo isn’t working and *also* think we need to better serve these violent children without the need to blame the parents.

Why are you unable to manage complex thinking?

NP here, and the idea that parents are not responsible for the minors' actions is unreasonable.

I hope you have typically developing kids, or your kids will be abused by you.

I doubt he’d be able to stay around long enough to abuse them. He’d just abandon them, just as he’s proposing that schools and society do.

Parents need to know their kids and not put them in unsafe situations. It traumatizes both the kids and their classmates. Set them up to succeed, get them therapy, and do the right thing. In-person public school is a bad decision for many kids with behavior issues.

Even when it is a “bad decision,” it may be the best or only option. In many cases these are kids the school is capable of handling— the school may just not be willing to provide the necessary supports. And in cases where the school legitimately can’t handle them, the parents may be struggling to get the school to agree to an alternative placement.

Or, equally likely, the parents are actively fighting the school and refusing any sort of alternative placement, because they are dead set on the idea that their child would be fine if only everyone catered to them.

No, that’s not equally likely. The school district does not want to send kids to self-contained programs, partly because of LRE, but mostly because of cost and resources. And I don’t know anyone that’s fought a placement to a more supportive environment after attempts to bring in supports to the general education environment have failed. But many, many parents of kids with special needs can describe how hard it is to get the schools to provide those supports in the first place.

It’s still not equally likely, but there are some parents in denial about the situation and refuse assessments and special education services. And that’s a horrible situation for all the kids involved.

This routinely happens in top school districts. The parents, often well educated white collar workers, are in denial about the severity of their child’s condition. They don’t like the stigma, they don’t want their kids to be segregated, they are thinking about college admissions. Many believe with therapy and age they will “grow out of it”. It is mind boggling.

Liar. I’ve literally never heard of this. Read the SN board. It’s the opposite- parents fighting to get kids into Bridge or the high functioning Autism programs in MoCo.

Well, you have very limited knowledge. This happens routinely. In fact my neighbors, HHI $1M+, are paying 75k for top boarding school for their neurotypical kid and paid thousands to a lawyer to keep their SN, on the spectrum kid in public. Requested and got an Aide plus tons of other accommodations. A good private will not have the SN kid and the parents refuse spec ed school.

You have zero clue. Sounds like they did a good job getting what their kid needs.

You just proved my point. Almost all well to do parents of SN kids want a good public school with scaffolding. They are in denial and don’t want the stigma of segregated Sped Ed. You will say they know their kid better than me. Sure, but they also have a very biased perception.

Their daughter is in 8th grade and stims
a lot, sometimes throws tantrums. No clue how the other kids in her classes are coping.

So basically you have no idea what’s actually happening.

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

Your expertise with Spec Ed does not mean you are better informed or unbiased when it comes to addressing the needs of the neurotypical student who has to bear the brunt of these situations.

if YOU don’t want your kid in PUBLIC school (which means it is not all about your kid) then YOU go public. the rest of us actually dealing with our SN kids understand the difficulties that you think are just the fault of the parents.

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*you go private

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

what a helpful and informative post you’ve contributed: “All of you are dumb compared to me but I won’t tell you why”

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing
well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

So, you are okay with violent children endangering others? In fact, you appear to be advocating for it. You think that other parents should just happily allow it because you won't take responsibility for your child's actions?

Omg talking to posters like you is like trying to get through to a brick wall.

Of course I’m not okay with it. And I don’t have a child throwing chairs so no, I don’t have any responsibility to take for this.

But I’m capable of carrying two thoughts in my head. I can both believe that the status quo isn’t working and *also* think we need to better serve these violent children without the need to blame the parents.

Why are you unable to manage complex thinking?

NP here, and the idea that parents are not responsible for the minors' actions is unreasonable.

I hope you have typically developing kids, or your kids will be abused by you.

I doubt he’d be able to stay around long enough to abuse them. He’d just abandon them, just as he’s proposing that schools and society do.

Parents need to know their kids and not put them in unsafe situations. It traumatizes both the kids and their classmates. Set them up to succeed, get them therapy, and do the right thing. In-person public school is a bad decision for many kids with behavior issues.

Even when it is a “bad decision,” it may be the best or only option. In many cases these are kids the school is capable of handling— the school may just not be willing to provide the necessary supports. And in cases where the school legitimately can’t handle them, the parents may be struggling to get the school to agree to an alternative placement.

Or, equally likely, the parents are actively fighting the school and refusing any sort of alternative placement, because they are dead set on the idea that their child would be fine if only everyone catered to them.

No, that’s not equally likely. The school district does not want to send kids to self-contained programs, partly because of LRE, but mostly because of cost and resources. And I don’t know anyone that’s fought a placement to a more supportive environment after attempts to bring in supports to the general education environment have failed. But many, many parents of kids with special needs can describe how hard it is to get the schools to provide those supports in the first place.

It’s still not equally likely, but there are some parents in denial about the situation and refuse assessments and special education services. And that’s a horrible situation for all the kids involved.

This routinely happens in top school districts. The parents, often well educated white collar workers, are in denial about the severity of their child’s condition. They don’t like the stigma, they don’t want their kids to be segregated, they are thinking about college admissions. Many believe with therapy and age they will “grow out of it”. It is mind boggling.

Liar. I’ve literally never heard of this. Read the SN board. It’s the opposite- parents fighting to get kids into Bridge or the high functioning Autism programs in MoCo.

Well, you have very limited knowledge. This happens routinely. In fact my neighbors, HHI $1M+, are paying 75k for top boarding school for their neurotypical kid and paid thousands to a lawyer to keep their SN, on the spectrum kid in public. Requested and got an Aide plus tons of other accommodations. A good private will not have the SN kid and the parents refuse spec ed school.

You have zero clue. Sounds like they did a good job getting what their kid needs.

You just proved my point. Almost all well to do parents of SN kids want a good public school with scaffolding. They are in denial and don’t want the stigma of segregated Sped Ed. You will say they know their kid better than me. Sure, but they also have a very biased perception.

Their daughter is in 8th grade and stims
a lot, sometimes throws tantrums. No clue how the other kids in her classes are coping.

So basically you have no idea what’s actually happening.

I know exactly what’s happening. There is a kid who slams her book on the desk rhythmically, paces around the classroom, rocks back and forth and so on. I don’t know how her classmates learn anything.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing
well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

So, you are okay with violent children endangering others? In fact, you appear to be advocating for it. You think that other parents should just happily allow it because you won't take responsibility for your child's actions?

Omg talking to posters like you is like trying to get through to a brick wall.

Of course I’m not okay with it. And I don’t have a child throwing chairs so no, I don’t have any responsibility to take for this.

But I’m capable of carrying two thoughts in my head. I can both believe that the status quo isn’t working and *also* think we need to better serve these violent children without the need to blame the parents.

Why are you unable to manage complex thinking?

NP here, and the idea that parents are not responsible for the minors' actions is unreasonable.

I hope you have typically developing kids, or your kids will be abused by you.

I doubt he’d be able to stay around long enough to abuse them. He’d just abandon them, just as he’s proposing that schools and society do.

Parents need to know their kids and not put them in unsafe situations. It traumatizes both the kids and their classmates. Set them up to succeed, get them therapy, and do the right thing. In-person public school is a bad decision for many kids with behavior issues.

Even when it is a “bad decision,” it may be the best or only option. In many cases these are kids the school is capable of handling— the school may just not be willing to provide the necessary supports. And in cases where the school legitimately can’t handle them, the parents may be struggling to get the school to agree to an alternative placement.

Or, equally likely, the parents are actively fighting the school and refusing any sort of alternative placement, because they are dead set on the idea that their child would be fine if only everyone catered to them.

No, that’s not equally likely. The school district does not want to send kids to self-contained programs, partly because of LRE, but mostly because of cost and resources. And I don’t know anyone that’s fought a placement to a more supportive environment after attempts to bring in supports to the general education environment have failed. But many, many parents of kids with special needs can describe how hard it is to get the schools to provide those supports in the first place.

It’s still not equally likely, but there are some parents in denial about the situation and refuse assessments and special education services. And that’s a horrible situation for all the kids involved.

This routinely happens in top school districts. The parents, often well educated white collar workers, are in denial about the severity of their child’s condition. They don’t like the stigma, they don’t want their kids to be segregated, they are thinking about college admissions. Many believe with therapy and age they will “grow out of it”. It is mind boggling.

Liar. I’ve literally never heard of this. Read the SN board. It’s the opposite- parents fighting to get kids into Bridge or the high functioning Autism programs in MoCo.

Well, you have very limited knowledge. This happens routinely. In fact my neighbors, HHI $1M+, are paying 75k for top boarding school for their neurotypical kid and paid thousands to a lawyer to keep their SN, on the spectrum kid in public. Requested and got an Aide plus tons of other accommodations. A good private will not have the SN kid and the parents refuse spec ed school.

You have zero clue. Sounds like they did a good job getting what their kid needs.

You just proved my point. Almost all well to do parents of SN kids want a good public school with scaffolding. They are in denial and don’t want the stigma of segregated Sped Ed. You will say they know their kid better than me. Sure, but they also have a very biased perception.

Their daughter is in 8th grade and stims
a lot, sometimes throws tantrums. No clue how the other kids in her classes are coping.

So basically you have no idea what’s actually happening.

Nope. We are well to do parents of kids with SNs. Best day of our lives was when our kid got private placement in a SN school. Is there a stigma? Sure, but our kid is thriving and happy. And away from judgmental folks like the ones on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

Your expertise with Spec Ed does not mean you are better informed or unbiased when it comes to addressing the needs of the neurotypical student who has to bear the brunt of these situations.

if YOU don’t want your kid in PUBLIC school (which means it is not all about your kid) then YOU go public. the rest of us actually dealing with our SN kids understand the difficulties that you think are just the fault of the parents.

I am going to advocate for my kids’ needs. Yours is not more important and her/his needs don’t get to dictate the education of two dozen others. If you don’t like it, you go private.

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is retired from working many years in special ed with students who have severe behavior issues, with a variety of causes, and also interacting with their parents, it is painful to me to read all this speculation about how things ought to work and what everybody is doing wrong, as if the average DCUM person has any idea what the "answer" is.

I kind of wish Jeff would shut this thread down and make it disappear because it's mostly so ludicrous, but I will acknowledge that it may serve a purpose for parents to vent their thoughts and frustration on this topic even though most have way too little knowledge or information about what they are talking about.

Why post at all if you don’t want to share anything helpful?