Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

You say a lot about a person you don't like..lol
You don't have to like but why not just ignore? How would you like it if we harped on something you loved? Clearly, millions around the world love her. Why not say it isnt for me? Why gaslight fans?

Literally nothing I wrote has anything to do with how I feel about Swift personally. I feel pretty neutral on her as a person. What you are reading is music criticism. When someone creates art and puts it out in the world for other people's consumption, it's normal for people to judge it and discuss its value as art. I'm saying that I think Swift's music often lacks artistic value. I'm not gaslighting anyone, I'm sharing my opinion.

+1- critically thinking about artwork is not gaslighting and does not equal hate. This comment almost sounds like the PPs criticism made you question your devotion to her work which you aren’t ready to/don’t want to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

You say a lot about a person you don't like..lol
You don't have to like but why not just ignore? How would you like it if we harped on something you loved? Clearly, millions around the world love her. Why not say it isnt for me? Why gaslight fans?

Literally nothing I wrote has anything to do with how I feel about Swift personally. I feel pretty neutral on her as a person. What you are reading is music criticism. When someone creates art and puts it out in the world for other people's consumption, it's normal for people to judge it and discuss its value as art. I'm saying that I think Swift's music often lacks artistic value. I'm not gaslighting anyone, I'm sharing my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Evermore and Folklore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

[Anonymous]

Taylor doesn’t always write from her perspective, she tells a LOT of fictional stories or stories about other experiences in her songs as well.
- Speak Now
- cardigan
- last great American dynasty
- august
- epiphany
- betty
- Champagne Problems
- Tis the damn season
- no body no crime
- Dorothea

[Anonymous]

I’m sitting at my kid’s swim practice. The young 20 year old coach is playing Bad Blood and I’m thinking how incredibly awful it is. Each time, she sings the chorus, it’s like someone’s hitting my head with a brick. It’s just so bad. Yeah, we’ve got problems.

Anyway, I’m recalling this thread and feeling I am very alone in my hatred of Taylor music, when one of the dad’s rushes up and begs the coach to turn the music off.

Thank you random Dad, thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

We don't care what you think

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

We don't care what you think

PP wrote a thoughtful, insightful critique. Rabid Taylor Swift fan response: wah, wah we don’t care. Can you have a more immature reaction? No, but that’s to be expected from Taylor’s audience.

[Anonymous]

Here is a list of all the Taylor Swift awards: You may not like her but, you can NOT say she doesn't have talent or appeal. She has proven it time and time again. Do you know how difficult it is for anyone to maintain popularity in this fickle world? Especially as a woman artist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Taylor_Swift

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

We don't care what you think

PP wrote a thoughtful, insightful critique. Rabid Taylor Swift fan response: wah, wah we don’t care. Can you have a more immature reaction? No, but that’s to be expected from Taylor’s audience.

And your response is..mature? Look just admit you are jealous. Or tell us how many records/albums and sold out tours you have done.

Please share..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Now we can add racist to you as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

We don't care what you think

PP wrote a thoughtful, insightful critique. Rabid Taylor Swift fan response: wah, wah we don’t care. Can you have a more immature reaction? No, but that’s to be expected from Taylor’s audience.

And your response is..mature? Look just admit you are jealous. Or tell us how many records/albums and sold out tours you have done.

Please share..

Yes, that’s it. I must be jealous. Then why am I not jealous of Shakira?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

Someone above just said she only writes from her own perspective and worldview. Weird.

As for Midnights, what about Snow on the Beach? Vigilante Shit? Lavender Haze? Midnight Rain? Why pick Paris of all of those songs?

Criticism and critically thinking and having different opinions isn’t weitd. It helps people define their likes and dislikes, gives words to feelings and reactions the music/art may evoke and can build on each other.

The PP and I aren’t arguing with each other or against you. We are discussing and refining our opinions.

I wrote the from her own perspective post and can also agree with the PP about her making up stuff that middle Class single white girls can relate to. Makes sense and is still written from her perspective and doesn’t speak to the universality of getting drunk and the feelings behind because she so specifically paints the image of where and when and how it is happening. It isn’t like she is describing calling an ex in the phone (Adele’s hello as an example of another white female
Pop star) which could happen to anyone almost anywhere: the details in Taylor’s songs make you picture her in a movie rather than the universal feeling of falling in love or getting dumped.

So the PP and I are digging into why we dislike Taylor/ why she doesn’t resonate with us. We aren’t trying to win anything or take anything away from u

We don't care what you think

PP wrote a thoughtful, insightful critique. Rabid Taylor Swift fan response: wah, wah we don’t care. Can you have a more immature reaction? No, but that’s to be expected from Taylor’s audience.

And your response is..mature? Look just admit you are jealous. Or tell us how many records/albums and sold out tours you have done.

Please share..

Why you feel the need to tear down or negate anyone who doesn’t like her? You are generating hate and vitriol in the name of defending a celebrity who is a billionaire. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Not only are her lyrics perpetually self-focused, they are also increasingly inauthentic as she continues to write songs as though she is a perpetually unlucky-in-love, middle class, millennial woman starring in a 90s rom com. She writes from the perspective of her fans, not from her own lived experience, and it shows:

(from "Paris" on Midnights, 2022): "Stumbled down pretend alleys, cheap wine, make believe it's champagne, I was taken by the view."

When was the last time Taylor Swift ran around with a guy drinking cheap wine and pretending it was champagne, and was "taken" by the view in a city like Paris? When she wrote this song, she was a multi-millionaire juggernaut with a host of Grammy's, a massive portfolio of homes, had been to Paris many times. When has Swift EVER had to drink cheap wine on a date? She dates successful musicians, actors, and athletes and is herself wealthy and successful.

It just doesn't ring true. It feels like what you write when you are intentionally trying to evoke a moment that the typical 30 year old, middle class, woman will relate to. But it's not real for her.

I don't understand what the point is for her to writing songs like this. I don't believe that came from her heart or was ripped from her actual journal. It feels like a calculated piece of fan service. And a lot of her music feels like this. There are exceptions (Antihero certainly feels like an authentic self reflection of her real life) but a lot of it sounds like this. I'd rather she took a looooong break and wrote an entire album like Antihero and dropped this "I'm just a girls, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" schtick. But it to bed. She's done it. It's not who she is (I actually don't really think it's who she ever was, I think it's always been a bit of a put on) and there's no more need for more Swift songs like this in the world.

I would like her a lot more if she released less music and toured less, but what she released was more interesting, more innovative, more creative. I think she has the capacity for it but she has chosen to go the route of making as much money as she can. That's fine and a perfectly acceptable choice. But it's not one I respect *artistically*. I don't think it results in great work. I think it undermines the quality of her music.

You say a lot about a person you don't like..lol
You don't have to like but why not just ignore? How would you like it if we harped on something you loved? Clearly, millions around the world love her. Why not say it isnt for me? Why gaslight fans?

Literally nothing I wrote has anything to do with how I feel about Swift personally. I feel pretty neutral on her as a person. What you are reading is music criticism. When someone creates art and puts it out in the world for other people's consumption, it's normal for people to judge it and discuss its value as art. I'm saying that I think Swift's music often lacks artistic value. I'm not gaslighting anyone, I'm sharing my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Evermore and Folklore?

NP but I found it weird that she created *teenage* personas when she was more than a decade older.

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I feel like one of the lessons of this thread ought to be: if you don't want to hear criticism of Taylor Swift, don't read a thread where the theme is "criticism of Taylor Swift."

You don't have to defend liking something you like. But if people want to get together and criticize something, why not? Sometimes there is catharsis in gathering to say "huh, you know that thing everyone loves? I just really don't," and to find others who feel the same.