FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:The boundaries and incongruent middle school capacities in that area of Fairfax make it impossible to line up the middle and high schools. Sending ANY Carson kids to Oakton when it literally shares a property with Skyview is so ridiculous.

For instance, Westfield should have two full feeder middle schools based on capacity-under both scenarios, it now has just Stone (a small school) plus that one red-lined low income Brookfield area (I think they are Franklin?)

Mismatches between the sizes of high schools and their feeder middle schools are common all over the county.

that is correct, which is why Westfield should have two feeder middle schools. Stone alone does not send enough students.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

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Anonymous wrote:The boundaries and incongruent middle school capacities in that area of Fairfax make it impossible to line up the middle and high schools. Sending ANY Carson kids to Oakton when it literally shares a property with Skyview is so ridiculous.

For instance, Westfield should have two full feeder middle schools based on capacity-under both scenarios, it now has just Stone (a small school) plus that one red-lined low income Brookfield area (I think they are Franklin?)

Mismatches between the sizes of high schools and their feeder middle schools are common all over the county.

that is correct, which is why Westfield should have two feeder middle schools. Stone alone does not send enough students.

It might be better to engage in some long-term planning to expand Stone so it can serve as the sole feeder to Westfield. I don't think you can have two 100% feeders to Westfield, and part of their thinking here seems to be to create as many 100% feeders with no split as possible.

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Most importantly, rather than squabbling back and forth about who is right or wrong, how can we best advocate? For example, I’m in the small section of Oak Hill that just got cut off from the rest. We live in Franklin Farm and in Scenario 2, we no longer go to middle school or high school with anyone else from Oak Hill. They froze us because of our distance to Franklin and redistricted the rest of Oak Hill to Carson and Skyview. What legs do we have to stand on to try to get moved with the rest of our friends if we’re in the frozen area? None of us mind Franklin or Chantilly; we just want to remain together. How do we best advocate for that?

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Most importantly, rather than squabbling back and forth about who is right or wrong, how can we best advocate? For example, I’m in the small section of Oak Hill that just got cut off from the rest. We live in Franklin Farm and in Scenario 2, we no longer go to middle school or high school with anyone else from Oak Hill. They froze us because of our distance to Franklin and redistricted the rest of Oak Hill to Carson and Skyview. What legs do we have to stand on to try to get moved with the rest of our friends if we’re in the frozen area? None of us mind Franklin or Chantilly; we just want to remain together. How do we best advocate for that?

I'm an Oak Hill parent that's north of Franklin Farm Rd. I've left comments in the Explorer tool on Scenarios 1 and 2, that we wish to keep all of Oak Hill together at Carson and Skyview. I think you need to do the same but specifically highlight you are the in the group that can walk to Franklin and that you view staying with the rest of Oak Hill as more important than being able to walk to Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

I don't recall anyone being moved due to transportation times during the last boundary review...

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

I did all my research. You were the one who were incorrect about the actual voting result.

Distance and other factors were considerations for the boundary study. It was not the main reason for the purchase. It's only secondary consideraion.

You don't buy a high school just to shorten a commute distance. That would be absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

I did all my research. You were the one who were incorrect about the actual voting result.

Distance and other factors were considerations for the boundary study. It was not the main reason for the purchase. It's only secondary consideraion.

You don't buy a high school just to shorten a commute distance. That would be absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

+1. OP doesn’t like the fact that the consultants found Oakton kids have some of the longest commutes of any kids in the county.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

Actually, three of the then-12 board members voted against the KAA acquisition: Meren, Moon, and Sizemore-Heizer.

Of the remaining nine, some just went along with the purchase because they didn't think FCPS would be able to find a similar site again in the future. They didn't necessarily speak to current overcrowding in western Fairfax as a sufficient justification.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved. They may vote for a scenario where Crossfield stays at Oakton, but that probably speaks more to their desire to avoid controversy and move on than to do what objectively makes the most sense. Moving Fox Mill because more parents favor moving ought to invite scrutiny as to why families are wiling or eager to leave South Lakes, and not just be the reason to reassign Fox Mill. Others still at South Lakes may have the same concerns as the Fox Mill parents, yet moving Fox Mill won't do anything for them.

Nope.

Nobody voted against the purchase of KAA. Ten members voted for it. Two voted present: Moon and Meren.

Several alluded to the long commutes to Oakton at the meeting when the purchase was approved? Who are they? Give me the names.

Western HS is all about the relief for the overcrowded schools. Read the previous CIPs approved by the board. You won't find a single mention about the long distance from Crossfield to Oakton.

Distance and all other issues are just a secondary reason.

Nope. Do your own research.

The prior CIPs didn’t discuss a western high school for another decade or so, and the actual scenarios for Skyview just released highlight average commuting times.

Transportation times are also specifically mentioned as a relevant consideration in Policy 8130.

+1. OP doesn’t like the fact that the consultants found Oakton kids have some of the longest commutes of any kids in the county.

What does that have to do with the reasoning for the school being purchased? Of course, Oakton HS kids have some of the longest commutes in the county. Oakton HS has a dramatic western boundary because it is very close to multiple high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The boundaries and incongruent middle school capacities in that area of Fairfax make it impossible to line up the middle and high schools. Sending ANY Carson kids to Oakton when it literally shares a property with Skyview is so ridiculous.

For instance, Westfield should have two full feeder middle schools based on capacity-under both scenarios, it now has just Stone (a small school) plus that one red-lined low income Brookfield area (I think they are Franklin?)

Mismatches between the sizes of high schools and their feeder middle schools are common all over the county.

that is correct, which is why Westfield should have two feeder middle schools. Stone alone does not send enough students.

It might be better to engage in some long-term planning to expand Stone so it can serve as the sole feeder to Westfield. I don't think you can have two 100% feeders to Westfield, and part of their thinking here seems to be to create as many 100% feeders with no split as possible.

There is excess capacity in all the middle schools in that area. There is no need to expand. Who would go there?

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Gigantic middle schools are a bad idea, ask any middle school teacher or admin.

A school with a capacity of at least 2900 (not sure exactly what Westfield's is?) couldn't have just one middle school feeding to it. The middle school would have to be enormous.

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Anonymous wrote:Gigantic middle schools are a bad idea, ask any middle school teacher or admin.

A school with a capacity of at least 2900 (not sure exactly what Westfield's is?) couldn't have just one middle school feeding to it. The middle school would have to be enormous.

You mean like the size of Carson is recent years, lol?

Westfield doesn’t have to be at full capacity (around 2800). It doesn’t have to be at 2100 either.

But ideally it should have one MS feeder with 50% of Westfield’s expected enrollment.