FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

It dropped by around 100 students with Seema Dixit segregating just that one low income apartment building over to Westfield.

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The boundaries and incongruent middle school capacities in that area of Fairfax make it impossible to line up the middle and high schools. Sending ANY Carson kids to Oakton when it literally shares a property with Skyview is so ridiculous.

For instance, Westfield should have two full feeder middle schools based on capacity-under both scenarios, it now has just Stone (a small school) plus that one red-lined low income Brookfield area (I think they are Franklin?)

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Anonymous wrote:Follow up to my prev question - will FCPS move Franklin out of Region 5 now that it's going to primarily be an Oakton feeder (the majority of kids will go to Oakton).

It’s hard to say. Carson currently falls under the Oakton pyramid even though it sits well into Westfields’s boundaries and Crossfield is the only Oakton school that feeds to it. Seeing as every high school pyramid has at least one middle school, it would make sense for Carson to move to the Skyview pyramid and for Franklin to by reassigned to Oakton. However, logic has never been this district’s strong point, and I could see Oakton going without a middle school in their pyramid simply because Franklin is in Lees Corners’ boundaries.

They will have to move Franklin to being the Oakton MS since Carson is going to be Skyview. Meren actually tried to defend not turning Carson into a Skyview feeder because Carson was Oakton's MS at a meeting I attended.

What a joke that it was ever considered Oakton's middle school.

This area of western Fairfax has no cohesive pyramids. Franklin has been a split feeder forever. It used to be just Chantilly/Oakton. And, since Fox Mill went to SL, I'm pretty sure far more went to Westfield than Oakton or South Lakes.

We may get a cohesive pyramid with Skyview/Carson.

Prior to the 2008 boundary changes, FMES was at Oakton with Crossfield. I think part of Floris might have been at Oakton, but I am not certain. There was a larger percentage of Oakton HS kids at Carson before the 2008 changes, which is why Carson was Oakton's MS. The boundary shifts impacted that number and makes it head scratching that Carson is considered Oakton's MS.

I don’t think any part of Floris was at Oakton in 2008 before the South Lakes changes. The Floris families moved from Westfield to South Lakes fought the move and pleaded with FCPS to add AP courses to South Lakes. There was some lip service that FCPS would consider that, but it didn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

It dropped by around 100 students with Seema Dixit segregating just that one low income apartment building over to Westfield.

It's not a single building, is it? It appears to be several market-rate apartment complexes.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Crossfield parent being moved to Franklin, I would like to know what other elementary schools feed to Franklin. Is it just Waples and Navy that go to Oakton? What other elementary schools and where do they feed? Chantilly I assume?

Lees Corner and the Chantilly portion of Navy still remain as Franklin feeders.

I think Brookfield also feeds into Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

It dropped by around 100 students with Seema Dixit segregating just that one low income apartment building over to Westfield.

It's not a single building, is it? It appears to be several market-rate apartment complexes.

Its low-rise apartments where multiple families double up in one apartment. I think Bull Run fills up 4 buses just in that complex. Most of Bull Run's low income children live in that neighborhood and the low rise apartments off Route 29 behind the gas station. The rest of Bull Run are single family neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:The boundaries and incongruent middle school capacities in that area of Fairfax make it impossible to line up the middle and high schools. Sending ANY Carson kids to Oakton when it literally shares a property with Skyview is so ridiculous.

For instance, Westfield should have two full feeder middle schools based on capacity-under both scenarios, it now has just Stone (a small school) plus that one red-lined low income Brookfield area (I think they are Franklin?)

Mismatches between the sizes of high schools and their feeder middle schools are common all over the county.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

It dropped by around 100 students with Seema Dixit segregating just that one low income apartment building over to Westfield.

It's not a single building, is it? It appears to be several market-rate apartment complexes.

Its low-rise apartments where multiple families double up in one apartment. I think Bull Run fills up 4 buses just in that complex. Most of Bull Run's low income children live in that neighborhood and the low rise apartments off Route 29 behind the gas station. The rest of Bull Run are single family neighborhoods.

Calling them that "one low income apartment building" makes these low-rise complexes sound like one giant Section 8 building, which is misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. Skyview was purchased to relieve capacity at Chantilly and Centreville and to reduce travel time for far flung Oakton students. Yet the leading scenario guts Westfield and South Lakes while leaving Chantilly, Centreville, and Oakton boundaries mostly untouched, save for the poor kids who are easier to shuffle around without a fight.

Not really.

The goal was always to relieve capacity at Chantilly, Centreville and Westfield.

Oakton and South Lakes were included in the boundary study because of their proximity to Skyview but they were not the main target. This point was clear from the beginning.

Chantilly is going to see a meaningful relief.

I do think they should move more Centreville kids to Westfield.

Incorrect. When the building was purchased FCPS and multiple school board members justified it by saying it would keep kids from having to go all the way from Herndon to Oakton HS. That was one of the main justifications.

This was not the justification from the Superintendent. Centreville and Chantilly overcrowding and the long distance from Floris to Westfield were the core issues to address with Skyview. Oakton and South Lakes were secondary concerns.

The Superintendent did not drive the decision to purchase KAA; School Board members did. And several of them - in particular, Frisch and McDaniel - highlighted the long commutes of students to Oakton. It was every bit as much part of the discussion as overcrowding at Chantilly. If anything, overcrowding at Centreville was a secondary concern, since there was already a plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

The board makes a decision not the superintendent.

But there are 12 board members. All of them were worried about the overcrowding in Western Fairfax.

Only two of the 12 expressed their concern about the bus ride. And I am pretty sure both will have no problem of voting for a scaneario where Crossfield stays at Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema Dixit doesn't seem to consider the Westfield community as her constituents.

Oh well. She'll remember when she's sniveling around trying to get reelected.

I think she was only voted in because a huge portion of Sully is Indian.

And almost all the Indian families zoned to Westfield are being moved to Skyview.

I know nothing about the Indian population at Westfield. I do think that there are a lot of Indian families who live close to Skyview. So, it is not okay for them to have a school that is in their own area? Dixit should keep them bused to Westfield from their area which is isolated from the rest of Westfield?

PP was probably just pointing out that she was pleasing one of her main voting "blocks". For whatever reason, she clearly isn't at all concerned about the Westfield community.

The one thing that is great for Skyview is that all the boundary options have only very close neighborhoods. No one near Skyview should be staying at Westfield.

The issue is now backfilling Westfield. In no world should they send the part of Brookfield that is along 50. It is too close to Chantilly and is a population that needs to be at the closest school.
Definitely, all of Cub Run should go to Westfield and the portion of Bull Run adjacent to those who already attend Westfield.

I also believe that Walney Oaks should go along with a couple of other neigborhoods that exit only to Walney Rd. That makes geographic sense . But, I suspect that ship has sailed.

What is Centreville’s enrollment under that scenario? Seems like it might be well under 2000.

It dropped by around 100 students with Seema Dixit segregating just that one low income apartment building over to Westfield.

It's not a single building, is it? It appears to be several market-rate apartment complexes.

Its low-rise apartments where multiple families double up in one apartment. I think Bull Run fills up 4 buses just in that complex. Most of Bull Run's low income children live in that neighborhood and the low rise apartments off Route 29 behind the gas station. The rest of Bull Run are single family neighborhoods.

Calling them that "one low income apartment building" makes these low-rise complexes sound like one giant Section 8 building, which is misleading.

They probably accept section 8 vouchers.

Seema Dixit, living in the Bull Run ES zone, would know exactly the demographics for the families in that development.

There aren't middle class/upper middle class low rise apartment buildings in Chantilly or Centreville. That area is probably the same demographics as the Brookfield Mews neighborhood that is also being moved to Westfield. My understanding is that neighborhood in Chantilly is where almost all the FARMs students for CHS live.

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Anonymous wrote:What you’re missing is that in scenario 2 revised, Oak Hill is split between Skyview and Chantilly because part of Franklin farm south of Franklin farm road is split, which is a tremendous, steaming load BS.

Franklin Farm is being split along FFX parkway anyway. Scenario 2 is splitting them 3 ways? This is why we need to talk about the scenarios.

Franklin Farm has been split by the Parkway for thirty years. The west side has attended Oak Hill that long, as well. They have never been at Crossfield.

Franklin Farm has two pools. One is on east side of pkway and one on the west side. So kind of two major sections. Franklin Farm at Oak Hill lives on both sides of Franklin Farm Rd between the parkway and Centreville Rd. One portion lives right across from Franklin Middle. That part is kept at Chantilly in one of the scenarios. I would guess that while they might be happy to stay at Chantilly, they might prefer to stay with their Oak Hill friends. I am guessing that the consultants did this because they were told to "freeze walkers."

Just a guess.

As a resident in this area, that is entirely accurate. We are happy with Chantilly or Skyview, but mostly we want to keep Oak Hill together. If all of Oak Hill went to Chantilly, that would be fabulous, but it looks like all of Oak Hill is going to Skyview in which case our few streets need to go with them.

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Correction, Chantilly Mews neighborhood.