Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

FCPS school board never said anything about it in their meetings, and the dispute is with the person saying the reforms are because of Curie. LCPS did mention prep as a reason for AOS reforms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

You are assuming NDA violations, however, the Quant-Q might not be as secured as you think. Perhaps Curie is outright cheating and bribing someone developing the test, or perhaps they are involved in the development themselves. Or perhaps there are public records that reveal a lot about Quant-Q test, that most people aren't aware of. I'm thinking a master's thesis.

I appreciate your perspective and measured response. Thank you for that. I think it is highly unlikely that bribery or conflict of interest is afoot, and even as upset as I am about the situation regarding Curie, I have no reason to believe that they acted illegally. The evidence that is publicly available doesn't lead in that direction at all.

The reason why NDA violations are the most likely scenario is that the TJ/Curie students reported that they'd seen some (not all, but some) of the EXACT questions from the Quant-Q that they took to get into TJ during their prep classes at Curie. Given that each question on the Quant-Q is a multi-layered problem to solve that usually requires a combination of various skill sets, and that the problems are mostly presented in word form rather than as simple equations or expressions, to me that points to kids taking the test and then running back to Curie to help their community. The fact that Curie serves exclusively South Asian students, whether intentionally or otherwise, lends further credence to the South Asian TJ students that presented this story in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

FCPS school board never said anything about it in their meetings, and the dispute is with the person saying the reforms are because of Curie. LCPS did mention prep as a reason for AOS reforms.

FCPS could have very easily opened themselves up to further legal and public opinion liabilities had they mentioned a specific prep center by name. However, they were VERY transparent about expensive prep in general as a motivation for the changes. It strains reasonability to suggest that the remarkable success of Curie didn't play a significant part in the impetus for reform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

You misspelled "Coalition for TJ" - the only group that has actually filed suit in the matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

Has anyone else actually heard anything of substance from the Alumni Action Group in the past few years? Pretty sure the only group that's actually making noise in this area is the Coalition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

This is a hilariously stupid response. By that logic, anyone who wants to get rid of any educational opportunity should simply develop a way to profit from it so that dopes like PP argue that it should go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

This is a hilariously stupid response. By that logic, anyone who wants to get rid of any educational opportunity should simply develop a way to profit from it so that dopes like PP argue that it should go away.

No, you’re a bunch of stupid clowns always trying to make TJ the focus of attention in FCPS and trying to socially engineer the “just right” number of minorities, etc. At this point it’s a colossal time suck and we’d be infinitely better off as a county without that school or people like you around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

This is a hilariously stupid response. By that logic, anyone who wants to get rid of any educational opportunity should simply develop a way to profit from it so that dopes like PP argue that it should go away.

No, you’re a bunch of stupid clowns always trying to make TJ the focus of attention in FCPS and trying to socially engineer the “just right” number of minorities, etc. At this point it’s a colossal time suck and we’d be infinitely better off as a county without that school or people like you around.

The rhetorical equivalent of "i kNoW yOu aRe bUt wHaT aM i???"

Only group that's trying to shine a light on TJ right now is the Coalition and their lackeys in Parents Defunding Education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

If you’re so worried about someone profiting off TJ prep, get rid of TJ. Trying to “game” admissions won’t go away just because you try and turn it into an exercise in geographic quotas that has little to do with merit.

There are roughly 200 schools in FCPS. Obsessing about who attends a single high school like the clowns in the TJ Alumni Action Group have been doing borders on the pathological and reveals what a sad little group of narcissists they really are.

This is a hilariously stupid response. By that logic, anyone who wants to get rid of any educational opportunity should simply develop a way to profit from it so that dopes like PP argue that it should go away.

No, you’re a bunch of stupid clowns always trying to make TJ the focus of attention in FCPS and trying to socially engineer the “just right” number of minorities, etc. At this point it’s a colossal time suck and we’d be infinitely better off as a county without that school or people like you around.

DP lol this is an embarrassing response

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Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

You are assuming NDA violations, however, the Quant-Q might not be as secured as you think. Perhaps Curie is outright cheating and bribing someone developing the test, or perhaps they are involved in the development themselves. Or perhaps there are public records that reveal a lot about Quant-Q test, that most people aren't aware of. I'm thinking a master's thesis.

I appreciate your perspective and measured response. Thank you for that. I think it is highly unlikely that bribery or conflict of interest is afoot, and even as upset as I am about the situation regarding Curie, I have no reason to believe that they acted illegally. The evidence that is publicly available doesn't lead in that direction at all.

The reason why NDA violations are the most likely scenario is that the TJ/Curie students reported that they'd seen some (not all, but some) of the EXACT questions from the Quant-Q that they took to get into TJ during their prep classes at Curie. Given that each question on the Quant-Q is a multi-layered problem to solve that usually requires a combination of various skill sets, and that the problems are mostly presented in word form rather than as simple equations or expressions, to me that points to kids taking the test and then running back to Curie to help their community. The fact that Curie serves exclusively South Asian students, whether intentionally or otherwise, lends further credence to the South Asian TJ students that presented this story in the first place.

I'm not ruling out bribery and the like, because that happens in South Asia, and Curie was using the same tactic as coaching centres there of posting names and pictures of top ranks.

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Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

You are assuming NDA violations, however, the Quant-Q might not be as secured as you think. Perhaps Curie is outright cheating and bribing someone developing the test, or perhaps they are involved in the development themselves. Or perhaps there are public records that reveal a lot about Quant-Q test, that most people aren't aware of. I'm thinking a master's thesis.

I appreciate your perspective and measured response. Thank you for that. I think it is highly unlikely that bribery or conflict of interest is afoot, and even as upset as I am about the situation regarding Curie, I have no reason to believe that they acted illegally. The evidence that is publicly available doesn't lead in that direction at all.

The reason why NDA violations are the most likely scenario is that the TJ/Curie students reported that they'd seen some (not all, but some) of the EXACT questions from the Quant-Q that they took to get into TJ during their prep classes at Curie. Given that each question on the Quant-Q is a multi-layered problem to solve that usually requires a combination of various skill sets, and that the problems are mostly presented in word form rather than as simple equations or expressions, to me that points to kids taking the test and then running back to Curie to help their community. The fact that Curie serves exclusively South Asian students, whether intentionally or otherwise, lends further credence to the South Asian TJ students that presented this story in the first place.

I'm not ruling out bribery and the like, because that happens in South Asia, and Curie was using the same tactic as coaching centres there of posting names and pictures of top ranks.

That's a fair point, but I think the makers of the Quant-Q would have way too much to lose by engaging in that sort of thing, given the number of other entities that use it besides TJ Admissions. It is the wild west over there, though.

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Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

FCPS school board never said anything about it in their meetings, and the dispute is with the person saying the reforms are because of Curie. LCPS did mention prep as a reason for AOS reforms.

FCPS could have very easily opened themselves up to further legal and public opinion liabilities had they mentioned a specific prep center by name. However, they were VERY transparent about expensive prep in general as a motivation for the changes. It strains reasonability to suggest that the remarkable success of Curie didn't play a significant part in the impetus for reform.

NAACP complaints and an investigation by state AG, along with a board that was eager to push equity. TJ reform was not a standalone initiative from this board. They adopted culturally responsive learning, had the behavior/PBIS reforms, and some other things.

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NAACP is a racist organization that needs to be dismantled. Rotten to the core

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Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

Do you know Asian parents sacrifice personal entertainment to pay for children’s studies? In Fairfax, tons of blacks and Latinos are middle classes and they are as rich as Asians, just because you do not care your children’s studies, now you want to manipulate the processes to take advantage of races?
Most of blacks and Latinos attending TJ are not poor at all, so your arguments is basically bs