Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Assuming that the pool it draws from is race-neutral as well. It's entirely realistic to have completely race-neutral selection criteria which selects a heavily biased student body purely due to the fact that the society that it samples from isn't race-neutral in an way, shape or form. Conversely, it's also quite realistic to have selection criteria which is not at all race-neutral but which nevertheless still selects a student body which reflects the racial composition of the community quite effectively.

Removing merit as a criteria for success has historically been an extremely effective way to empower a priori privilege, but I think the so-called reformers have realized this all along and are evil enough not to care.

That’s a fancy way of saying “the new admissions process will favor rich people”.

That’s literally the polar opposite of what happened. Focus less on the Latin and more on the facts.

And my goodness, you are BEYOND a clueless as to the meaning of “race-neutral”. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Agree, The old process allowed people to basically buy their way in through outside enrichment. It demonstrably favored affluent feeders. The new process at least attempts to allow equal participation throughout the community by ensuring it's not limited to a few wealthy schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Assuming that the pool it draws from is race-neutral as well. It's entirely realistic to have completely race-neutral selection criteria which selects a heavily biased student body purely due to the fact that the society that it samples from isn't race-neutral in an way, shape or form. Conversely, it's also quite realistic to have selection criteria which is not at all race-neutral but which nevertheless still selects a student body which reflects the racial composition of the community quite effectively.

Removing merit as a criteria for success has historically been an extremely effective way to empower a priori privilege, but I think the so-called reformers have realized this all along and are evil enough not to care.

That’s a fancy way of saying “the new admissions process will favor rich people”.

That’s literally the polar opposite of what happened. Focus less on the Latin and more on the facts.

And my goodness, you are BEYOND a clueless as to the meaning of “race-neutral”. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Agree, The old process allowed people to basically buy their way in through outside enrichment. It demonstrably favored affluent feeders. The new process at least attempts to allow equal participation throughout the community by ensuring it's not limited to a few wealthy schools.

Yeah, now everyone has a fair chance to bribe the admission staff.

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So when will it be clear whether the Supreme Court wants to hear this case or not?

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We need to vote for more Republicans to stop this progressive BS

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Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

Wel, it's not surprising that this was the court's conclusion since it obvious to anyone with a grasp of the facts that the race-blind selection process doesn't discriminate.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to vote for more Republicans to stop this progressive BS

+1

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Anonymous wrote:So when will it be clear whether the Supreme Court wants to hear this case or not?

Whenever they decide to get around to it.

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Anonymous wrote:So when will it be clear whether the Supreme Court wants to hear this case or not?

Whenever they decide to get around to it.

3 - 6 months.

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Anonymous wrote:So when will it be clear whether the Supreme Court wants to hear this case or not?

Whenever they decide to get around to it.

3 - 6 months.

snowballs chance of this happening...

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Anonymous wrote:So when will it be clear whether the Supreme Court wants to hear this case or not?

Whenever they decide to get around to it.

3 - 6 months.

snowballs chance of this happening...

More like 2 - 4 months.

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Associated Press:

The Supreme Court leaves in place the admissions plan at an elite Virginia public high school

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-school-admissions-asian-discrimination-bdac4a3d720c0355f9da1c9539b05c2d

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