Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

[Anonymous]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/opinion/supreme-court-high-school-admissions.html

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/opinion/supreme-court-high-school-admissions.html

Hopefully the county loses and turns TJ into an academy the next day

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

Fakenews

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

Fakenews

Nothing fake about it.

[Anonymous]

Can we find these "plenty of testimonials" in any legal documents? If not, they are fake.

underachievers are naturally underrepresented at elite schools such as TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we find these "plenty of testimonials" in any legal documents? If not, they are fake.

underachievers are naturally underrepresented at elite schools such as TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

There is no reason for them to appear in legal documents because there has been no legal action against Curie. And there has been no legal action against Curie because they never broke any laws.

Defining events that have been confirmed by multiple TJ students with nothing to gain and their reputation to lose as “fake” because of a lack of legal documentation is pretty dopey.

I understand it destroys your narrative to accept that those events happened, but to deny them at this point leaves you out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous]

Never mind. people can say anything if they face no legal consequences. who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we find these "plenty of testimonials" in any legal documents? If not, they are fake.

underachievers are naturally underrepresented at elite schools such as TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

There is no reason for them to appear in legal documents because there has been no legal action against Curie. And there has been no legal action against Curie because they never broke any laws.

Defining events that have been confirmed by multiple TJ students with nothing to gain and their reputation to lose as “fake” because of a lack of legal documentation is pretty dopey.

I understand it destroys your narrative to accept that those events happened, but to deny them at this point leaves you out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous]

if not present in legal documents, "hearsay" is a better word than "testimonial" for this context.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we find these "plenty of testimonials" in any legal documents? If not, they are fake.

underachievers are naturally underrepresented at elite schools such as TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

DP. There are plenty of testimonials from TJ/Curie students about what happened, so there's not really any room to deny what Curie did. But I balk at referring to the matter as "cheating" or "test buying". There were former Curie students who went back on their signed promise not to discuss the exam, and Curie simply took advantage of the situation and offered parents the chance to pay for the information that they'd gained. That's business.

But what it did was made clear to any reasonable person observing the situation that using a "secured" exam that wasn't really secured was going to get the wrong students into the school. Sadly, in today's environment, standardized exams have become largely obsolete to the purpose of identifying potential - they instead determine advancement and preparation. And those are two very different things. The Quant-Q was a phenomenal exam for determining potential, but it doesn't work when students prepare for it.

There is no reason for them to appear in legal documents because there has been no legal action against Curie. And there has been no legal action against Curie because they never broke any laws.

Defining events that have been confirmed by multiple TJ students with nothing to gain and their reputation to lose as “fake” because of a lack of legal documentation is pretty dopey.

I understand it destroys your narrative to accept that those events happened, but to deny them at this point leaves you out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine a counter lawsuit claiming Black kids are being discriminated against in favor of Asian and White kids. There are real numbers to back that up as TJ is embarrassingly 4% Black even now with changes. It was under 2% Black before the changes. If a school is less than 2% Black in a county with 10% Black population, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with educational opportunity discrimination.

based on this logic, for NBA and NFL, it's obvious there is an issue of justice with sport opportunity discrimination, right?

Somebody just can’t resist using that NBA/NFL talking point over and over again, can they? Even when it’s been explained why it’s a poor analogy- they just love it too much to stop.

Tj and nba are perfect analogy, both of them should be merit based, race blind.

1) They both ARE merit-based and race-blind. There are no students who are getting into TJ right now who don't merit getting into the school. What is happening both at TJ and in other elite academic institutions is that schools are recognizing the inherent value of experiential diversity in the classroom AND the unique meritoriousness of defeating adversity to excel in the classroom. We can quibble over whether or not the new process is perfect (it's not), but we can't quibble about the fact that it's creating a better academic environment within the school.

2) The two shouldn't be compared in the first place because one is a business consisting of 30 franchises whose job is to make money and compete for a championship while the other is a publicly-funded educational opportunity whose job is to inspire bright students to pursue STEM. There is no place in any governing document that requires FCPS to select "the best" students along any axis, nor does TJ exist for the purpose of winning any competitions or even securing a #1 national ranking.

Is there any proof of the bolded statement? Seems like they are switching out academic rigor for diversity, but how does that improve the academic environment?

#equity

Are you really that stupid?

Equity was the reason given for the changes.

I was told it was to counter all the rampant cheating and test buying.

Not a shred of evidence. Just make allegations and hope some of it sticks. What a pathetic person you are.

You interrupted before they could reply to their own post.

[Anonymous]

The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The insistence with which folks deny reality in this Curie matter just shows how devastating it is to their case. All of the surrounding evidence points to how important the boutique test prep industry is to securing favorable admissions outcomes for Asian and specifically South Asian families.

For 15 years the percentage of Asian students in incoming freshmen classes increased, steadily and consistently, until the first set of changes to the admissions process came for the Class of 2022. That's when the new, supposedly "unpreppable" Quant-Q was introduced into the equation.

The Class of 2021 saw a record 74.9% of offers extended to Asian students, with an additional 6% extended to multi-racial students - who at TJ, are nearly exclusively white/Asian. The new exam suite, developed and deployed at great expense, resulted in a drop for the first time in recent history to 65.2% of offers extended to Asian students. <b> There can be no doubt that the change in exams was directly responsible for the lack of success of Asian students for the Class of 2022. </b> For the first time during that year, Curie published their infamous list of first and last names on Facebook of their students achieving admissions success to TJ, AOS, and AET. The total number of 2022 students at TJ that they claimed was 50.

In the following year, Curie published their new, improved flagship TJ Prep course - as always, at a cost of about $5,000 per student. They promised preparation for the new Quant-Q exam - hard to see how, given that everyone who sees that exam, whether as a student or as a proctor, is required to sign an NDA. It should surprise no one that the Class of 2023 was 72.3% Asian and that Curie claimed 97 TJ admits in that class, and that the following year, the Class of 2024 was 73.5% Asian with 133 Curie admits.

Think about that for a moment - Curie cleared nearly half a million in 2023 and nearly three quarters of a million in 2024 in receipts just on the kids who were admitted to TJ, to say nothing of the families that invested the $5K and ended up at AOS, AET, or elsewhere.

When you pair those statistics with all of the stuff that's been confirmed on TJ Vents by named students who were on the Curie lists, you have to be an ostrich burying your head in the sand not to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Carry on denying if you must, but understand that you'll be perceived as unserious.

And it will almost certainly never be confirmed, because there's no reason that anyone is ever going to open a legitimate investigation into what happened. The admissions process has already been changed to severely limit the impact of boutique test prep. But to deny that reality is to spit on the brave TJ students (who were all South Asian, by the way) that were willing to admit to their colleagues what went on during that time period.

You are assuming NDA violations, however, the Quant-Q might not be as secured as you think. Perhaps Curie is outright cheating and bribing someone developing the test, or perhaps they are involved in the development themselves. Or perhaps there are public records that reveal a lot about Quant-Q test, that most people aren't aware of. I'm thinking a master's thesis.