Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

Not true. It is a apparent race-blind process

It is by definition a race-blind process, as it has always been.

We can argue about whether it is a race-neutral process, though that’s largely a silly argument because every ounce of statistical evidence shows that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new one is. But it is unquestionably race-blind.

True but that won't stop the paranoid and crazy right-wing conspiracy nuts from seeing issues where they don't exist.

Sounds like another petulant seven-year-old who just discovered the idea of having an opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

I didn’t say they were. I also didn’t say they weren’t. But you still haven’t made an argument for why FCPS needs to admit “the best 550” - assuming that it would be possible to identify them - rather than “a group of excellent students”.

Why must TJ be considered a prize to be won?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

I didn’t say they were. I also didn’t say they weren’t. But you still haven’t made an argument for why FCPS needs to admit “the best 550” - assuming that it would be possible to identify them - rather than “a group of excellent students”.

Why must TJ be considered a prize to be won?

Competition promotes excellence.
Raising the bar for incoming students will allow TJ to provide even more advanced STEM education for their students.
This racial-social experiment will hinder the progress of TJ and the most STEM talented kids.

Btw, this is the purpose of the governer's school from their website

"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners. "

TJ's students should be remarkably different from their age-level peers. The "group of excellent students" can do very well in their home schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

Nor did the old process that mostly admitted people who could afford to purchase advanced access to the test quesitons.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

Isn't it still mostly Asian?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

I didn’t say they were. I also didn’t say they weren’t. But you still haven’t made an argument for why FCPS needs to admit “the best 550” - assuming that it would be possible to identify them - rather than “a group of excellent students”.

Why must TJ be considered a prize to be won?

Competition promotes excellence.
Raising the bar for incoming students will allow TJ to provide even more advanced STEM education for their students.
This racial-social experiment will hinder the progress of TJ and the most STEM talented kids.

Btw, this is the purpose of the governer's school from their website

"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners. "

TJ's students should be remarkably different from their age-level peers. The "group of excellent students" can do very well in their home schools.

Again - literally none of what you cited indicates that FCPS must select the “best” or even the “most advanced”. It literally just says that they should be “remarkably different from their age level peers” without providing any sort of definition for what that means.

What evidence do you have that the population of students who are currently being admitted to TJ are not “remarkably different”?

And since what you want to do is send them back to their home schools, you’re admitting that the appropriate comparison is with the students at their home schools.

Finally, there are still plenty of students who are extremely advanced in math at TJ, even if there are slightly fewer than there were before. None of the super-advanced course offerings to which you refer are anywhere close to being eliminated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

Nor did the old process that mostly admitted people who could afford to purchase advanced access to the test quesitons.

Do you have proof on that? Lying and spreading false information will not help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

I didn’t say they were. I also didn’t say they weren’t. But you still haven’t made an argument for why FCPS needs to admit “the best 550” - assuming that it would be possible to identify them - rather than “a group of excellent students”.

Why must TJ be considered a prize to be won?

Competition promotes excellence.
Raising the bar for incoming students will allow TJ to provide even more advanced STEM education for their students.
This racial-social experiment will hinder the progress of TJ and the most STEM talented kids.

Btw, this is the purpose of the governer's school from their website

"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners. "

TJ's students should be remarkably different from their age-level peers. The "group of excellent students" can do very well in their home schools.

Again - literally none of what you cited indicates that FCPS must select the “best” or even the “most advanced”. It literally just says that they should be “remarkably different from their age level peers” without providing any sort of definition for what that means.

What evidence do you have that the population of students who are currently being admitted to TJ are not “remarkably different”?

And since what you want to do is send them back to their home schools, you’re admitting that the appropriate comparison is with the students at their home schools.

Finally, there are still plenty of students who are extremely advanced in math at TJ, even if there are slightly fewer than there were before. None of the super-advanced course offerings to which you refer are anywhere close to being eliminated.

From that statement, it is clear that implementing racial-social experiments is not the purpose of The Virginia Governor's School Program.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

I didn’t say they were. I also didn’t say they weren’t. But you still haven’t made an argument for why FCPS needs to admit “the best 550” - assuming that it would be possible to identify them - rather than “a group of excellent students”.

Why must TJ be considered a prize to be won?

Competition promotes excellence.
Raising the bar for incoming students will allow TJ to provide even more advanced STEM education for their students.
This racial-social experiment will hinder the progress of TJ and the most STEM talented kids.

Btw, this is the purpose of the governer's school from their website

"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners. "

TJ's students should be remarkably different from their age-level peers. The "group of excellent students" can do very well in their home schools.

Again - literally none of what you cited indicates that FCPS must select the “best” or even the “most advanced”. It literally just says that they should be “remarkably different from their age level peers” without providing any sort of definition for what that means.

What evidence do you have that the population of students who are currently being admitted to TJ are not “remarkably different”?

And since what you want to do is send them back to their home schools, you’re admitting that the appropriate comparison is with the students at their home schools.

Finally, there are still plenty of students who are extremely advanced in math at TJ, even if there are slightly fewer than there were before. None of the super-advanced course offerings to which you refer are anywhere close to being eliminated.

SOLs we’re just released. Could look at 9th grade geometry and Algebra II results and compare them to other schools.