Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

You’re creating a false dichotomy between “the best 550” and “average students”.

There are no “average students” presently being admitted to TJ and to suggest that there are betrays a lack of awareness of the current conditions on the ground.

If you really understand the new admission process, you should know they are not admitting the "best 550s".

Nor did the old process that mostly admitted people who could afford to purchase advanced access to the test quesitons.

I remember reading all the posts back then about how they had built a question bank by debriefing students over a period of years.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

It doesn't make any sense to achieve diversity by sacrificing meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

It doesn't make any sense to achieve diversity by sacrificing meritocracy.

It’s a good thing, then, that they didn’t.

What evidence do you have that they did?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Hopeless people.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Clearly they don't and facts don't seem to matter to them either. They just want a system that they can game.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

It doesn't make any sense to achieve diversity by sacrificing meritocracy.

It’s a good thing, then, that they didn’t.

What evidence do you have that they did?

How is buying test answers meritocracy?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

This new process unfairly discriminates against wealthy families who invest in outside enrichment.

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The prior process unfairly discriminated against poor families who could not afford to invest in outside enrichment.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

This new process unfairly discriminates against wealthy families who invest in outside enrichment.

How so? Why should the process ascribe any benefit to your kid from services that you've purchased?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

This new process unfairly discriminates against wealthy families who invest in outside enrichment.

How so? Why should the process ascribe any benefit to your kid from services that you've purchased?

Because according to SCOTUS money is speech and we live in Murca where speech is free!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It was to improve geographic diversity and lessen the “feeder school” situation. DP. Give well-qualified kids from all over the area an opportunity.

This new process unfairly discriminates against wealthy families who invest in outside enrichment.

I'm pretty sure this was intended to be snark. Otherwise, it's incredibly tone-deaf.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Assuming that the pool it draws from is race-neutral as well. It's entirely realistic to have completely race-neutral selection criteria which selects a heavily biased student body purely due to the fact that the society that it samples from isn't race-neutral in an way, shape or form. Conversely, it's also quite realistic to have selection criteria which is not at all race-neutral but which nevertheless still selects a student body which reflects the racial composition of the community quite effectively.

Removing merit as a criteria for success has historically been an extremely effective way to empower a priori privilege, but I think the so-called reformers have realized this all along and are evil enough not to care.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

There is no evidence for any of what you just said.

The old process had a very significant dichotomy between the demographic breakdown of the applicants and of the admitted students. The new process does not - even though Asian students are still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other group.

That’s how you know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new process is.

You conveniently ignore the fact that TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students.

No, I didn’t. I essentially stated as much in my second paragraph.

It is a matter of inconvenience for your narrative that the result of that decrease was that the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply - indicating *gasp* a RACE NEUTRAL PROCESS.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you said the new process is "race neutral", and on the other hand, you said the new process makes "the demographics of admitted students now tracks much better with the demographics of students who apply".
So, the real objective of the new admission process is to engineer the racial composition.

It is clear that you do not understand the definition of “race-neutral”. In any selection process that is race-neutral, you should see the group of selected individuals mirror the demographic of the group that applies.

Assuming that the pool it draws from is race-neutral as well. It's entirely realistic to have completely race-neutral selection criteria which selects a heavily biased student body purely due to the fact that the society that it samples from isn't race-neutral in an way, shape or form. Conversely, it's also quite realistic to have selection criteria which is not at all race-neutral but which nevertheless still selects a student body which reflects the racial composition of the community quite effectively.

Removing merit as a criteria for success has historically been an extremely effective way to empower a priori privilege, but I think the so-called reformers have realized this all along and are evil enough not to care.

That’s a fancy way of saying “the new admissions process will favor rich people”.

That’s literally the polar opposite of what happened. Focus less on the Latin and more on the facts.

And my goodness, you are BEYOND a clueless as to the meaning of “race-neutral”. Stop embarrassing yourself.