Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad that the Court dug into Asra’s lame attempt to turn the text messages and emails into “the TJ papers”.

The depths of her bad faith know no bounds. An embarrassment to her family - including, quite publicly, her son - her race, her community, her profession, and the institutions that have employed and continue to employ her.

Sadly, her attempts to burn everything to the ground will have her laughing all the way to the bank, but at what cost?

A district court and one appellate judge on the three-member 4th Circuit panel agreed with the Coalition’s claims. If the case reaches the Supreme Court, the 4th Circuit decision stands a good chance of being reversed. Realistically, everyone involved in this litigation knew there would be multiple appeals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

That post that tells me you don't know much about the current demographics in Fairfax.

The "Annandale Asians" were a beneficiary of the TJ admissions changes. They attend middle schools - Frost, Glasgow, Holmes, and Poe - that were either AAP centers that didn't send many kids to TJ compared to the top three (Frost and Glasgow) or sent next to no students to TJ (Holmes and Poe). They are beneficiaries of the change.

The Asian families whose kids saw reduced access to TJ were primarily at Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run, as well as at a few middle schools in Ashburn. Most of the plaintiffs in the TJ lawsuit were kids or parents of kids at these schools, none of which are in Annandale.

The number of Asian parents still highly agitated about the TJ admissions changes - those behind the "Coalition for TJ" - are relatively small in number. Many still hope their kids will attend TJ, but some are losing interest in TJ (including Loudoun parents now more interested in the Loudoun magnet); others also hedge their bets by moving into HS pyramids like Chantilly, Langley, McLean, and Oakton. While these schools can't offer everything that TJ can, they are very strong.

Also, insofar as the court case goes, the Coalition for TJ always expected Hilton's ruling to get reversed by the 4th Circuit. Their hope has always been that the Supreme Court, which is more conservative than the 4th Circuit, would agree to hear the case, but that's a crap shoot (the chances of getting the Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case are a crap shoot, just like getting into TJ is).

This. It is by no means a slam dunk that SCOTUS grants cert in this case. The facts of it are far weaker for creating conservative precedent than Harvard or UNC.

The weakness of Hilton’s original opinion and the ease with which Heytens and King have drilled it into oblivion would have to give them pause.

Even Rushing’s dissent was halfhearted at best and not at the usual level of her reasoning.

I took the fact that Heytens issued a separate concurring opinion and Rushing issued a strong dissent as an indication that each thought the chances of the Supreme Court granting cert were reasonably strong and were trying to frame the issues as they would hope them to be seen by the Supreme Court, with Heytens focusing on broader policy issues that might lead the Court to decide not to grant cert and Rushing focusing on the bad facts suggesting discriminatory intent that the majority opinion glossed over entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

That post that tells me you don't know much about the current demographics in Fairfax.

The "Annandale Asians" were a beneficiary of the TJ admissions changes. They attend middle schools - Frost, Glasgow, Holmes, and Poe - that were either AAP centers that didn't send many kids to TJ compared to the top three (Frost and Glasgow) or sent next to no students to TJ (Holmes and Poe). They are beneficiaries of the change.

The Asian families whose kids saw reduced access to TJ were primarily at Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run, as well as at a few middle schools in Ashburn. Most of the plaintiffs in the TJ lawsuit were kids or parents of kids at these schools, none of which are in Annandale.

The number of Asian parents still highly agitated about the TJ admissions changes - those behind the "Coalition for TJ" - are relatively small in number. Many still hope their kids will attend TJ, but some are losing interest in TJ (including Loudoun parents now more interested in the Loudoun magnet); others also hedge their bets by moving into HS pyramids like Chantilly, Langley, McLean, and Oakton. While these schools can't offer everything that TJ can, they are very strong.

Also, insofar as the court case goes, the Coalition for TJ always expected Hilton's ruling to get reversed by the 4th Circuit. Their hope has always been that the Supreme Court, which is more conservative than the 4th Circuit, would agree to hear the case, but that's a crap shoot (the chances of getting the Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case are a crap shoot, just like getting into TJ is).

This. It is by no means a slam dunk that SCOTUS grants cert in this case. The facts of it are far weaker for creating conservative precedent than Harvard or UNC.

The weakness of Hilton’s original opinion and the ease with which Heytens and King have drilled it into oblivion would have to give them pause.

Even Rushing’s dissent was halfhearted at best and not at the usual level of her reasoning.

I took the fact that Heytens issued a separate concurring opinion and Rushing issued a strong dissent as an indication that each thought the chances of the Supreme Court granting cert were reasonably strong and were trying to frame the issues as they would hope them to be seen by the Supreme Court, with Heytens focusing on broader policy issues that might lead the Court to decide not to grant cert and Rushing focusing on the bad facts suggesting discriminatory intent that the majority opinion glossed over entirely.

King argues that the district's courts temporal analysis was wrong and would simply turn “the previous status quo into an immutable quota." But Rushing relies on the same temporal analysis as the basis for evidence of discrimination. These seem in conflict with each other? Can better lawyers opine on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:from WAPO:

“The challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students and that the Coalition cannot establish that the Board adopted its race-neutral policy with any discriminatory intent,” the 4th Circuit opinion, written by Judge Robert B. King, reads."

Dropping 20% seems to prove otherwise.

If by 20% you mean 5% then sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why can't any of you read? This was a procedural decision - it means nothing - the case continues on. That is all.

The case will continue if the Supreme Court takes it up, but remanding for an entry of summary judgement in favor of the Board isn't a procedural decision and in the Supreme Court doesn't grant cert, the case is over.

It's over. They're not taking this up. Even to those loons, this case is a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad that the Court dug into Asra’s lame attempt to turn the text messages and emails into “the TJ papers”.

The depths of her bad faith know no bounds. An embarrassment to her family - including, quite publicly, her son - her race, her community, her profession, and the institutions that have employed and continue to employ her.

Sadly, her attempts to burn everything to the ground will have her laughing all the way to the bank, but at what cost?

A district court and one appellate judge on the three-member 4th Circuit panel agreed with the Coalition’s claims. If the case reaches the Supreme Court, the 4th Circuit decision stands a good chance of being reversed. Realistically, everyone involved in this litigation knew there would be multiple appeals.

1) That’s a big, big if. It’s a weak case, full stop. It’s hard to see how the Supreme Court benefits at all from granting cert in this case.

2) The Court already had a shot at this when the Coalition requested that the 4th Circuit’s original stay back at this time last year be vacated. They voted 6-3 not to vacate, leaving the process up and running for the Class of 2026. Not much has changed since then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why can't any of you read? This was a procedural decision - it means nothing - the case continues on. That is all.

The case will continue if the Supreme Court takes it up, but remanding for an entry of summary judgement in favor of the Board isn't a procedural decision and in the Supreme Court doesn't grant cert, the case is over.

It's over. They're not taking this up. Even to those loons, this case is a joke.

We have Ms. Omniscient in our midst. Hail to thee! Will King Charles take Harry back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad that the Court dug into Asra’s lame attempt to turn the text messages and emails into “the TJ papers”.

The depths of her bad faith know no bounds. An embarrassment to her family - including, quite publicly, her son - her race, her community, her profession, and the institutions that have employed and continue to employ her.

Sadly, her attempts to burn everything to the ground will have her laughing all the way to the bank, but at what cost?

A district court and one appellate judge on the three-member 4th Circuit panel agreed with the Coalition’s claims. If the case reaches the Supreme Court, the 4th Circuit decision stands a good chance of being reversed. Realistically, everyone involved in this litigation knew there would be multiple appeals.

1) That’s a big, big if. It’s a weak case, full stop. It’s hard to see how the Supreme Court benefits at all from granting cert in this case.

2) The Court already had a shot at this when the Coalition requested that the 4th Circuit’s original stay back at this time last year be vacated. They voted 6-3 not to vacate, leaving the process up and running for the Class of 2026. Not much has changed since then.

Alito, Thomas, Barrett, Gorsuch - that’s enough to grant cert right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

That post that tells me you don't know much about the current demographics in Fairfax.

The "Annandale Asians" were a beneficiary of the TJ admissions changes. They attend middle schools - Frost, Glasgow, Holmes, and Poe - that were either AAP centers that didn't send many kids to TJ compared to the top three (Frost and Glasgow) or sent next to no students to TJ (Holmes and Poe). They are beneficiaries of the change.

The Asian families whose kids saw reduced access to TJ were primarily at Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run, as well as at a few middle schools in Ashburn. Most of the plaintiffs in the TJ lawsuit were kids or parents of kids at these schools, none of which are in Annandale.

The number of Asian parents still highly agitated about the TJ admissions changes - those behind the "Coalition for TJ" - are relatively small in number. Many still hope their kids will attend TJ, but some are losing interest in TJ (including Loudoun parents now more interested in the Loudoun magnet); others also hedge their bets by moving into HS pyramids like Chantilly, Langley, McLean, and Oakton. While these schools can't offer everything that TJ can, they are very strong.

Also, insofar as the court case goes, the Coalition for TJ always expected Hilton's ruling to get reversed by the 4th Circuit. Their hope has always been that the Supreme Court, which is more conservative than the 4th Circuit, would agree to hear the case, but that's a crap shoot (the chances of getting the Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case are a crap shoot, just like getting into TJ is).

This. It is by no means a slam dunk that SCOTUS grants cert in this case. The facts of it are far weaker for creating conservative precedent than Harvard or UNC.

The weakness of Hilton’s original opinion and the ease with which Heytens and King have drilled it into oblivion would have to give them pause.

Even Rushing’s dissent was halfhearted at best and not at the usual level of her reasoning.

I took the fact that Heytens issued a separate concurring opinion and Rushing issued a strong dissent as an indication that each thought the chances of the Supreme Court granting cert were reasonably strong and were trying to frame the issues as they would hope them to be seen by the Supreme Court, with Heytens focusing on broader policy issues that might lead the Court to decide not to grant cert and Rushing focusing on the bad facts suggesting discriminatory intent that the majority opinion glossed over entirely.

King argues that the district's courts temporal analysis was wrong and would simply turn “the previous status quo into an immutable quota." But Rushing relies on the same temporal analysis as the basis for evidence of discrimination. These seem in conflict with each other? Can better lawyers opine on this?

What people don’t talk about enough is how the old admissions policy manifestly discriminated against low-income students. Prior to the changes, you’d see 1-2% of TJ come from economically disadvantaged families. In a good year. The OLD policy had disparate impact on poor kids and the NEW policy sought to rectify those issues.

One low-income Asian student in 2024. 51 in 2025. Tells you all you need to know about who the Coalition cares about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad that the Court dug into Asra’s lame attempt to turn the text messages and emails into “the TJ papers”.

The depths of her bad faith know no bounds. An embarrassment to her family - including, quite publicly, her son - her race, her community, her profession, and the institutions that have employed and continue to employ her.

Sadly, her attempts to burn everything to the ground will have her laughing all the way to the bank, but at what cost?

A district court and one appellate judge on the three-member 4th Circuit panel agreed with the Coalition’s claims. If the case reaches the Supreme Court, the 4th Circuit decision stands a good chance of being reversed. Realistically, everyone involved in this litigation knew there would be multiple appeals.

1) That’s a big, big if. It’s a weak case, full stop. It’s hard to see how the Supreme Court benefits at all from granting cert in this case.

2) The Court already had a shot at this when the Coalition requested that the 4th Circuit’s original stay back at this time last year be vacated. They voted 6-3 not to vacate, leaving the process up and running for the Class of 2026. Not much has changed since then.

Alito, Thomas, Barrett, Gorsuch - that’s enough to grant cert right there.

Barrett wasn’t interested last time.

[Anonymous]

The Harvard and UNC cases represent much easier angles of attack on affirmative action than this case.

I think in reality, we’ll have to see the reasoning for how those cases are decided before we have a good idea if this one will be taken up.

Those who wish to reestablish the old status quo would be better served turning their attention to the School Board elections - those will be decided LONG before the Supreme Court even decides whether to take this up. But the GOP nominated a confirmed wife-beater to one of their most accessible seats, so…

[Anonymous]

The more I read, the more I think TJ should be lottery based with a very high GPA requirement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Harvard and UNC cases represent much easier angles of attack on affirmative action than this case.

I think in reality, we’ll have to see the reasoning for how those cases are decided before we have a good idea if this one will be taken up.

Those who wish to reestablish the old status quo would be better served turning their attention to the School Board elections - those will be decided LONG before the Supreme Court even decides whether to take this up. But the GOP nominated a confirmed wife-beater to one of their most accessible seats, so…

The FCPS School Board is probably a lost cause but it’s telling that the state - which has the final say over Governor’s Schools - filed an amicus brief supporting the Coalition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad that the Court dug into Asra’s lame attempt to turn the text messages and emails into “the TJ papers”.

The depths of her bad faith know no bounds. An embarrassment to her family - including, quite publicly, her son - her race, her community, her profession, and the institutions that have employed and continue to employ her.

Sadly, her attempts to burn everything to the ground will have her laughing all the way to the bank, but at what cost?

A district court and one appellate judge on the three-member 4th Circuit panel agreed with the Coalition’s claims. If the case reaches the Supreme Court, the 4th Circuit decision stands a good chance of being reversed. Realistically, everyone involved in this litigation knew there would be multiple appeals.

1) That’s a big, big if. It’s a weak case, full stop. It’s hard to see how the Supreme Court benefits at all from granting cert in this case.

2) The Court already had a shot at this when the Coalition requested that the 4th Circuit’s original stay back at this time last year be vacated. They voted 6-3 not to vacate, leaving the process up and running for the Class of 2026. Not much has changed since then.

Alito, Thomas, Barrett, Gorsuch - that’s enough to grant cert right there.

Barrett wasn’t interested last time.

She’d just been confirmed and it would have been more aggressive to effectively pre-empt the 4th Circuit than to let the 4th Circuit rule on the merits and then take up the case. But she might pass again. The facts are ugly and the majority opinion of the 4th Circuit conveniently glosses over them but bad facts don’t necessarily make for good law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

Centerville, to you.