NYT article on LCPS high school re: racism

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

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everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

Yes. Over and over again. Quit excusing 15 year olds who say it. THEY KNOW. And if they do say it, this is rather a mild consequence for that choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

You can give yourself a cookie but your frame of reference today or earlier isn’t necessarily the same as that of every white teenager in 2015 or 2016. The music I listened to as a teen was far less profane and graphic than what kids have been exposed to in more recent years. If you want white teenagers not using the same language as their black peers, start teaching them earlier and/or clean up the culture. You can’t expose kids to edgy words constantly in a desensitized context and then expect them not to use them. That is not how adolescent brains work. A cynic, of course, might say some people are happy with the “gotcha” cancel culture because it provides endless opportunities to bring up grievances and lobby for change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

Yes. Over and over again. Quit excusing 15 year olds who say it. THEY KNOW. And if they do say it, this is rather a mild consequence for that choice.

Really, what consequences would you impose and would you impose them on all teens, or only some?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

Yes. Over and over again. Quit excusing 15 year olds who say it. THEY KNOW. And if they do say it, this is rather a mild consequence for that choice.

Really, what consequences would you impose and would you impose them on all teens, or only some?

Quit playing dumb. Seriously. I’ve seen kids get knocked OUT by their peer for thinking this is cute to say at school. The consequences depend on who hears you say it. You don’t get to control that. So some kids get punched . Some kids have their Snapchat posted and shared. Some kids never face any consequences at all. They’re all rolling the dice when they try it. So instead of fighting for Mimi’s honor, go talk to your kids RIGHT NOW in no uncertain terms and make sure they know under no circumstances should it come out of their mouth if they aren’t Black and if it does, they’re going to see what happens. Maybe nothing. Or maybe something 3 years later when they try on a new activist persona and a classmate says “not so fast.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

You can give yourself a cookie but your frame of reference today or earlier isn’t necessarily the same as that of every white teenager in 2015 or 2016. The music I listened to as a teen was far less profane and graphic than what kids have been exposed to in more recent years. If you want white teenagers not using the same language as their black peers, start teaching them earlier and/or clean up the culture. You can’t expose kids to edgy words constantly in a desensitized context and then expect them not to use them. That is not how adolescent brains work. A cynic, of course, might say some people are happy with the “gotcha” cancel culture because it provides endless opportunities to bring up grievances and lobby for change.

LOL this is hilarious. As if kids today are more sheltered or don’t know what a racist term that is.

Good luck- I hope your kids know all the excuses in the world don’t fly when it comes to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

You can give yourself a cookie but your frame of reference today or earlier isn’t necessarily the same as that of every white teenager in 2015 or 2016. The music I listened to as a teen was far less profane and graphic than what kids have been exposed to in more recent years. If you want white teenagers not using the same language as their black peers, start teaching them earlier and/or clean up the culture. You can’t expose kids to edgy words constantly in a desensitized context and then expect them not to use them. That is not how adolescent brains work. A cynic, of course, might say some people are happy with the “gotcha” cancel culture because it provides endless opportunities to bring up grievances and lobby for change.

LOL this is hilarious. As if kids today are more sheltered or don’t know what a racist term that is.

Good luck- I hope your kids know all the excuses in the world don’t fly when it comes to this.

I wouldn’t say more sheltered at all. More desensitized, definitely.

But I’m sure your kids are perfect and will never mess up in any way, so no need to worry. And if they do, just avoid this forum for a few months, because the fire will still be burning when you return.

[Anonymous]

All kids mess up. They all face consequences . That happened to Mimi too. It happens to all of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

You can give yourself a cookie but your frame of reference today or earlier isn’t necessarily the same as that of every white teenager in 2015 or 2016. The music I listened to as a teen was far less profane and graphic than what kids have been exposed to in more recent years. If you want white teenagers not using the same language as their black peers, start teaching them earlier and/or clean up the culture. You can’t expose kids to edgy words constantly in a desensitized context and then expect them not to use them. That is not how adolescent brains work. A cynic, of course, might say some people are happy with the “gotcha” cancel culture because it provides endless opportunities to bring up grievances and lobby for change.

LOL this is hilarious. As if kids today are more sheltered or don’t know what a racist term that is.

Good luck- I hope your kids know all the excuses in the world don’t fly when it comes to this.

I wouldn’t say more sheltered at all. More desensitized, definitely.

But I’m sure your kids are perfect and will never mess up in any way, so no need to worry. And if they do, just avoid this forum for a few months, because the fire will still be burning when you return.

When my kids mess up they will deal with the consequences and half the county isn’t going to have a fit, because my kids are brown kids who don’t have that sense of entitlement and privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All kids mess up. They all face consequences . That happened to Mimi too. It happens to all of us.

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There have been big pushes in recent years to dilute the consequences of what kids do by pressure not to suspend/use resource officers/discipline for many infractions in the schools. If anything there is mostly a trend towards NOT imposing consequences - except for the sledgehammer used here to swat a fly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I’m 45 so to me the word is still completely taboo for all races. But a kid who was immersed in a pop culture where the word is thrown around *constantly* likely does not have the same taboo. Obviously all white kids need to be taught not to say the word ever, but don’t pretend it’s a straight forward issue."

+1
everyone for 41 pages is agreeing - white people should not say this word!! But some of us realize that given how widely used it is by some non-white people, that some kids unknowingly & wrongly use it in that same context before they learn that's wrong too.

I always knew it was wrong to say it, even when I was a child. I knew it was hurtful to black people and generally a nasty and stupid thing to say. A white teen in 2020 100% knows not to say this word.

You can give yourself a cookie but your frame of reference today or earlier isn’t necessarily the same as that of every white teenager in 2015 or 2016. The music I listened to as a teen was far less profane and graphic than what kids have been exposed to in more recent years. If you want white teenagers not using the same language as their black peers, start teaching them earlier and/or clean up the culture. You can’t expose kids to edgy words constantly in a desensitized context and then expect them not to use them. That is not how adolescent brains work. A cynic, of course, might say some people are happy with the “gotcha” cancel culture because it provides endless opportunities to bring up grievances and lobby for change.

LOL this is hilarious. As if kids today are more sheltered or don’t know what a racist term that is.

Good luck- I hope your kids know all the excuses in the world don’t fly when it comes to this.

I wouldn’t say more sheltered at all. More desensitized, definitely.

But I’m sure your kids are perfect and will never mess up in any way, so no need to worry. And if they do, just avoid this forum for a few months, because the fire will still be burning when you return.

When my kids mess up they will deal with the consequences and half the county isn’t going to have a fit, because my kids are brown kids who don’t have that sense of entitlement and privilege.

Every inch of this. We teach out kids EARLY, that life isn't fair. You teach your kids how to whine about how life isn't fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Jimmy btw is NOT a black student. He's a mixed race student.

Most black people are “mixed race.” He is black.

This thread is so incredibly cringe.

Maybe because he identifies that way, but I can also consider him white if we are to pick just one race to identify with. To me, like Obama, he is mixed race. Fine by me if he wants to identify only as black, but I don't have to see it that way.

This is ahistorical. Even being 1/8 Black made someone Black in this country due to the one drop rule. Jimmy is half Black. By U.S. definitions, that makes him Black because society sees him as a Black man when they look at him. He may be half white but gets done if those protections and privileges due to his skin color and obvious presentation as being Black.

One drop rule? That is an antiquated and ignorant view. A lot of bi-racial people consider themselves bi-racial because they are just as much white as they are black. If you are so dense that you view someone bi-racial as being black, then that is just your own ignorant view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jimmy btw is NOT a black student. He's a mixed race student.

Most black people are “mixed race.” He is black.

This thread is so incredibly cringe.

Maybe because he identifies that way, but I can also consider him white if we are to pick just one race to identify with. To me, like Obama, he is mixed race. Fine by me if he wants to identify only as black, but I don't have to see it that way.

This is ahistorical. Even being 1/8 Black made someone Black in this country due to the one drop rule. Jimmy is half Black. By U.S. definitions, that makes him Black because society sees him as a Black man when they look at him. He may be half white but gets done if those protections and privileges due to his skin color and obvious presentation as being Black.

One drop rule? That is an antiquated and ignorant view. A lot of bi-racial people consider themselves bi-racial because they are just as much white as they are black. If you are so dense that you view someone bi-racial as being black, then that is just your own ignorant view.

LOL please enlighten us more on the “modern” black person pp! You just seem soooo credible!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think? Is this (racism in LCPS) as rampant as the article portrays? Is FCPS any better? Were the consequences fair to the girl?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html

LCPS is FCPS of 25 years ago. Move further out, live with more white people. So, you live that insulated, kids (unchecked) act like this. Lack of diversity doesn't inoculate a community from racism, just let people live without real consequence. Until that kid blew up her spot. Small prices compared to the number of POC that have been derailed by their public school experiences.

Do you honestly think kids don’t do this kind of stuff in FCPS? How quickly you forget about the disastrous rollout of online learning in April where kids yelled/wrote/sung the n-word in classes. It happened to my son in one of his classes and we can only assume he was targeted given he was the only Black student in the class.

It happens in FCPS but it definitely is worse in Loudoun because LCPS parents especially as you get farther out in Loudoun tend to be more likely to be okay with it. I grew up in Loudoun as the child of a LCPS administrator.

Ok? I grew up in LCPS am Black and now have two children in FCPS. FCPS is no better when it comes to this type of stuff. Before the pandemic, my son couldn’t do a week without hearing the n-word spoken by his fellow students.

+ 1 np

[Anonymous]

Looks like the black panther activist is still butt hurt over this little incident. She is out for BLOOD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the black panther activist is still butt hurt over this little incident. She is out for BLOOD

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The only activists on this thread are butt-hurt white people.