Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

Speaking as a Black woman, I agree with you.

If I had been in that subway car, I would’ve been so grateful for that man who put hands on Jordan Neely so everyone else could escape safely.

You know why? Because the Jordan Neelys of the world pose the biggest threat to ME.

I am an unambiguously Black, dark skinned, blickety Black, mixed with dark and midnight sista. No one’s mistaking me for anything but Black. This matters because you know who people like Jordan Neely most often go for? People like me. Before I finally escaped NYC, I had dozens and dozens of these encounters in the subway, on the bus, on the sidewalk each year. I was heavily pregnant, I had these kinds of encounters on the daily because these predators knew I couldn’t run away.

All these bleeding heart white liberals walk around wrapped in white privilege. It’s a very rare black man who’s going to put hands on you, grab your ass, get in your face expecting you to give him money because he’s a brotha, cuss you out, slap you, punch you, follow you home, watch you to learn when you take your train and stand there waiting for you. Rinse and repeat daily. All except the craziest Black folk know you don’t mess with white folk unless you want things to get really real for you. Middle class whites have that kind of immediate threat of violence escalating into actual violence experience maybe once a decade, maybe once a lifetime.

So, white liberals can say things like ‘the mentally ill people like Jordan Neely pose little threat’ because what you really mean is that they pose little threat TO YOU.

Black women like me, on the other hand? We have the highest murder, rape, DV, robbery etc. rates of any race of women, apart from Native American women on reservations. Do you know who’s beating, robbing, raping, and killing us ? Aggressive Black men like Jordan Neely. Back in the day, no cop would show up for a black woman fighting off some brotha off his meds. Now, if the police do show up, some white liberal is going to let him out the next day on these BS bail policies to come bash my head in and they’ll call it justice.

None of you virtue signaling, pathologically narcissistic white liberals think of the victims because you’re so rarely the victims.

Honestly, looking at videos of how aggressive Jordan Neely was and seeing how long his rapsheet was, I bless that good samaritan who took him out because women like ME are the biggest beneficiaries every time a Jordan Neely is off the streets. It’s unfortunate he died, but he definitely had it coming. That was some street justice for all of the victims who have suffered at his hands thanks to the arrogant white liberals posting nonsense in this thread.

Sorry, not sorry.

I have no idea why you think your opinion as a Black woman is more important than anyone else’s.

DP. PP explained very clearly why. Because she’s more likely to be a victim of a subway crime.

But where is the proof of this, other than her assertion?

Go read up on crime. You'll quickly learn two things that support her view:

1) in urban settings, minorities are most often the victims of crime
2) criminals generally target people of their own race.

Go do research. Don't ask people to substantiate common knowledge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

Speaking as a Black woman, I agree with you.

If I had been in that subway car, I would’ve been so grateful for that man who put hands on Jordan Neely so everyone else could escape safely.

You know why? Because the Jordan Neelys of the world pose the biggest threat to ME.

I am an unambiguously Black, dark skinned, blickety Black, mixed with dark and midnight sista. No one’s mistaking me for anything but Black. This matters because you know who people like Jordan Neely most often go for? People like me. Before I finally escaped NYC, I had dozens and dozens of these encounters in the subway, on the bus, on the sidewalk each year. I was heavily pregnant, I had these kinds of encounters on the daily because these predators knew I couldn’t run away.

All these bleeding heart white liberals walk around wrapped in white privilege. It’s a very rare black man who’s going to put hands on you, grab your ass, get in your face expecting you to give him money because he’s a brotha, cuss you out, slap you, punch you, follow you home, watch you to learn when you take your train and stand there waiting for you. Rinse and repeat daily. All except the craziest Black folk know you don’t mess with white folk unless you want things to get really real for you. Middle class whites have that kind of immediate threat of violence escalating into actual violence experience maybe once a decade, maybe once a lifetime.

So, white liberals can say things like ‘the mentally ill people like Jordan Neely pose little threat’ because what you really mean is that they pose little threat TO YOU.

Black women like me, on the other hand? We have the highest murder, rape, DV, robbery etc. rates of any race of women, apart from Native American women on reservations. Do you know who’s beating, robbing, raping, and killing us ? Aggressive Black men like Jordan Neely. Back in the day, no cop would show up for a black woman fighting off some brotha off his meds. Now, if the police do show up, some white liberal is going to let him out the next day on these BS bail policies to come bash my head in and they’ll call it justice.

None of you virtue signaling, pathologically narcissistic white liberals think of the victims because you’re so rarely the victims.

Honestly, looking at videos of how aggressive Jordan Neely was and seeing how long his rapsheet was, I bless that good samaritan who took him out because women like ME are the biggest beneficiaries every time a Jordan Neely is off the streets. It’s unfortunate he died, but he definitely had it coming. That was some street justice for all of the victims who have suffered at his hands thanks to the arrogant white liberals posting nonsense in this thread.

Sorry, not sorry.

I have no idea why you think your opinion as a Black woman is more important than anyone else’s.

I’m quite sure you know that I opened by identifying my race because otherwise:

1) The trolls on here would avoid the truth of what I’m saying and focus on accusing me of being Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Strom Thurmond rolled in one.

2) White liberals like to silence legitimate criticism of their selfish, dangerous policies by claiming that only right wing nutjobs and anti-black bigots are scared of the criminals “progressives” are coddling. That is NOT true and it’s important Black people speak up about how these crazy ideas are harming the F out of us. Nobody asked for this social experiment that ran me out of NYC! This is a naked power grab by white liberals who like to pretend they speak for POC. We don’t like them either!

[/youtube]https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4618921/user-clip-danger-white-liberals[youtube]

So, other than berating "white liberals" on an anonymous forum, what are you doing to address the problems in your community?

[Anonymous]

For the PP upthread, as a white woman I really appreciate your thoughtful post and also for your speaking up for women. I know you are more likely to be assaulted than I am, but I have been harassed on the street by homeless men of various races, and I do feel at risk in a way that I think men do not. (The homeless guy who poured a gallon of urine on someone last fall? You can het it wasn’t another guy!). But it’s complicated for white woman to speak up about crime. When they took SROs out of our schools, there was a discussion at the PTA meeting and even though I supported the program, I did not feel comfortable saying that—in part because as a suite person I don’t really know what the impact of the program is on black students. So while I don’t want to put more work on our Black sisters, I really appreciate it when they provide their thoughts and perspective on these criminal Justice issues. In fact, I think it’s their viewpoints I am most interested in, as they live at the intersection of two different forms of disadvantage, so they are uniquely situation to see the nuance in some of these problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

Speaking as a Black woman, I agree with you.

If I had been in that subway car, I would’ve been so grateful for that man who put hands on Jordan Neely so everyone else could escape safely.

You know why? Because the Jordan Neelys of the world pose the biggest threat to ME.

I am an unambiguously Black, dark skinned, blickety Black, mixed with dark and midnight sista. No one’s mistaking me for anything but Black. This matters because you know who people like Jordan Neely most often go for? People like me. Before I finally escaped NYC, I had dozens and dozens of these encounters in the subway, on the bus, on the sidewalk each year. I was heavily pregnant, I had these kinds of encounters on the daily because these predators knew I couldn’t run away.

All these bleeding heart white liberals walk around wrapped in white privilege. It’s a very rare black man who’s going to put hands on you, grab your ass, get in your face expecting you to give him money because he’s a brotha, cuss you out, slap you, punch you, follow you home, watch you to learn when you take your train and stand there waiting for you. Rinse and repeat daily. All except the craziest Black folk know you don’t mess with white folk unless you want things to get really real for you. Middle class whites have that kind of immediate threat of violence escalating into actual violence experience maybe once a decade, maybe once a lifetime.

So, white liberals can say things like ‘the mentally ill people like Jordan Neely pose little threat’ because what you really mean is that they pose little threat TO YOU.

Black women like me, on the other hand? We have the highest murder, rape, DV, robbery etc. rates of any race of women, apart from Native American women on reservations. Do you know who’s beating, robbing, raping, and killing us ? Aggressive Black men like Jordan Neely. Back in the day, no cop would show up for a black woman fighting off some brotha off his meds. Now, if the police do show up, some white liberal is going to let him out the next day on these BS bail policies to come bash my head in and they’ll call it justice.

None of you virtue signaling, pathologically narcissistic white liberals think of the victims because you’re so rarely the victims.

Honestly, looking at videos of how aggressive Jordan Neely was and seeing how long his rapsheet was, I bless that good samaritan who took him out because women like ME are the biggest beneficiaries every time a Jordan Neely is off the streets. It’s unfortunate he died, but he definitely had it coming. That was some street justice for all of the victims who have suffered at his hands thanks to the arrogant white liberals posting nonsense in this thread.

Sorry, not sorry.

I have no idea why you think your opinion as a Black woman is more important than anyone else’s.

I’m quite sure you know that I opened by identifying my race because otherwise:

1) The trolls on here would avoid the truth of what I’m saying and focus on accusing me of being Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Strom Thurmond rolled in one.

2) White liberals like to silence legitimate criticism of their selfish, dangerous policies by claiming that only right wing nutjobs and anti-black bigots are scared of the criminals “progressives” are coddling. That is NOT true and it’s important Black people speak up about how these crazy ideas are harming the F out of us. Nobody asked for this social experiment that ran me out of NYC! This is a naked power grab by white liberals who like to pretend they speak for POC. We don’t like them either!

[/youtube]https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4618921/user-clip-danger-white-liberals[youtube]

So, other than berating "white liberals" on an anonymous forum, what are you doing to address the problems in your community?

They already told you. They are applauding street justice since the government is failing to provide protection or justice. You can decide that you don't like the answer, but it is the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

Speaking as a Black woman, I agree with you.

If I had been in that subway car, I would’ve been so grateful for that man who put hands on Jordan Neely so everyone else could escape safely.

You know why? Because the Jordan Neelys of the world pose the biggest threat to ME.

I am an unambiguously Black, dark skinned, blickety Black, mixed with dark and midnight sista. No one’s mistaking me for anything but Black. This matters because you know who people like Jordan Neely most often go for? People like me. Before I finally escaped NYC, I had dozens and dozens of these encounters in the subway, on the bus, on the sidewalk each year. I was heavily pregnant, I had these kinds of encounters on the daily because these predators knew I couldn’t run away.

All these bleeding heart white liberals walk around wrapped in white privilege. It’s a very rare black man who’s going to put hands on you, grab your ass, get in your face expecting you to give him money because he’s a brotha, cuss you out, slap you, punch you, follow you home, watch you to learn when you take your train and stand there waiting for you. Rinse and repeat daily. All except the craziest Black folk know you don’t mess with white folk unless you want things to get really real for you. Middle class whites have that kind of immediate threat of violence escalating into actual violence experience maybe once a decade, maybe once a lifetime.

So, white liberals can say things like ‘the mentally ill people like Jordan Neely pose little threat’ because what you really mean is that they pose little threat TO YOU.

Black women like me, on the other hand? We have the highest murder, rape, DV, robbery etc. rates of any race of women, apart from Native American women on reservations. Do you know who’s beating, robbing, raping, and killing us ? Aggressive Black men like Jordan Neely. Back in the day, no cop would show up for a black woman fighting off some brotha off his meds. Now, if the police do show up, some white liberal is going to let him out the next day on these BS bail policies to come bash my head in and they’ll call it justice.

None of you virtue signaling, pathologically narcissistic white liberals think of the victims because you’re so rarely the victims.

Honestly, looking at videos of how aggressive Jordan Neely was and seeing how long his rapsheet was, I bless that good samaritan who took him out because women like ME are the biggest beneficiaries every time a Jordan Neely is off the streets. It’s unfortunate he died, but he definitely had it coming. That was some street justice for all of the victims who have suffered at his hands thanks to the arrogant white liberals posting nonsense in this thread.

Sorry, not sorry.

What’s your solution for addressing the problem of people like Neely other than “street justice”?

DP but are you suggesting every individual has to figure out a plan to deal with the random violence that our government won't protect us from? What, to prove themselves worthy of taking public transportation?

The future of this country is more violent, more polluted, and more corrupt. And that future is being ushered in by the irrational thought police, like you, who refuse to let people speak the truth about what is happening.

How did you get that from "what's your solution other than street justice"? It's easy to complain--much harder to offer solutions. What's your solution other than insulting anonymous people on an anonymous forum? Surely you have some solutions you can suggest?

My solution is for the government to get off its a$$ and conduct a 1990s style broken windows policing program combined with prison reform that looks basically like this: https://www.ft.com/content/d05a1b0a-f444-4337-99d2-84d9f0b59f95

Am I now worthy to take the metro?

Ok, let's discuss.

1) If by "the government" you mean the federal government, you are confused because policing programs are local.

2) Regarding "broken windows" policing, the movement was discredited by many researchers. We can agree to disagree on this one.

3) Regarding your link on prison reform, "Inside El Salvador’s mega-prison: the jail giving inmates less space than livestock"...yeah, you know quite well that that's not going to fly in the US. We are not El Salvador. As it is, we already incarcerate more people per capita than most countries. You want to incarcerate even more? Sure, but what happens when they get out without any rehabilitation and a record? I agree that the most dangerous should be incarcerated, but judging by recidivism rates in the US, locking lots of people up hasn't been enough to address our crime problems.

DP.
If they aren’t locked up and stay on the streets, they don’t magically reform either.
There needs to be an option to stay locked up forever, live more or less comfortably (like have a bed and food), take meds, be somewhat productive and clean, but never get out because once they get out they go off the meds and the cycle starts again

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Neely was a one man crime wave with a rap sheet longer than the tale of two cities. His crimes have included multiple instances of where he punched women in the face, including elderly people. Unfortunately once someone stood up to him it led to his death. The dude should have never been on the streets in the first place, and should have been in jail or a mental institution.

+1. One served his country, the other one was a documented criminal. I feel sorry for one of them in this unfortunate case, and it is not the criminal.

Oh please. Dude joined the marines because he didn’t know what else to do with his life. Now he’s a college dropout looking to become a bartender. He’s an aimless drifter. I’ll never understand the idolization of the military. Do you really think our finest go into it?

DP. I don’t care who he is but he solved the problem countless social workers and politicians and policemen couldn’t. Enough said!

Cool. So we can all just kill people we deem worthless. Welp, Repubs will be first on my list. Thanks for making it easy for me to buy a gun for this purpose, guys!

Well, if a Republican harasses you on the subway, you have my blessing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the PP upthread, as a white woman I really appreciate your thoughtful post and also for your speaking up for women. I know you are more likely to be assaulted than I am, but I have been harassed on the street by homeless men of various races, and I do feel at risk in a way that I think men do not. (The homeless guy who poured a gallon of urine on someone last fall? You can het it wasn’t another guy!). But it’s complicated for white woman to speak up about crime. When they took SROs out of our schools, there was a discussion at the PTA meeting and even though I supported the program, I did not feel comfortable saying that—in part because as a suite person I don’t really know what the impact of the program is on black students. So while I don’t want to put more work on our Black sisters, I really appreciate it when they provide their thoughts and perspective on these criminal Justice issues. In fact, I think it’s their viewpoints I am most interested in, as they live at the intersection of two different forms of disadvantage, so they are uniquely situation to see the nuance in some of these problems.

You shouldn't be afraid to voice your view because you are a white woman. Do you think you'd enjoy the rights you enjoy today if your female ancestors were afraid to demand equality bc feminism at that time wasn't inclusive of minority women? You are entitled to fight for your rights and doing so will often help others as well. How would you feel if a school massacre happened in your kids' school and you didn't advocate for those SROs? Black kids are just as vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the PP upthread, as a white woman I really appreciate your thoughtful post and also for your speaking up for women. I know you are more likely to be assaulted than I am, but I have been harassed on the street by homeless men of various races, and I do feel at risk in a way that I think men do not. (The homeless guy who poured a gallon of urine on someone last fall? You can het it wasn’t another guy!). But it’s complicated for white woman to speak up about crime. When they took SROs out of our schools, there was a discussion at the PTA meeting and even though I supported the program, I did not feel comfortable saying that—in part because as a suite person I don’t really know what the impact of the program is on black students. So while I don’t want to put more work on our Black sisters, I really appreciate it when they provide their thoughts and perspective on these criminal Justice issues. In fact, I think it’s their viewpoints I am most interested in, as they live at the intersection of two different forms of disadvantage, so they are uniquely situation to see the nuance in some of these problems.

The people pushing these crazy, damaging policies the hardest are white women. So, instead of making excuses to sit silent, you should talk to your fellow white women. You should talk to white men too.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

It seems like a LOT of money is being spent without people getting the help they need, this man was saying he was hungry and wanted to go back to jail to have basic needs met.

Public safety is also deteriorating, especially on public transit in major cities, esp NY but including DC. Some are getting rich but the status quo does not seem to be working for anyone else.

It is cruel to have the mentally ill living like animals on the street.

Basic safety and order used to be understood as part of the social contract with the government. In the 90s things swung far in the direction of 3 strikes, etc. Why can't a middle ground be found?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the PP upthread, as a white woman I really appreciate your thoughtful post and also for your speaking up for women. I know you are more likely to be assaulted than I am, but I have been harassed on the street by homeless men of various races, and I do feel at risk in a way that I think men do not. (The homeless guy who poured a gallon of urine on someone last fall? You can het it wasn’t another guy!). But it’s complicated for white woman to speak up about crime. When they took SROs out of our schools, there was a discussion at the PTA meeting and even though I supported the program, I did not feel comfortable saying that—in part because as a suite person I don’t really know what the impact of the program is on black students. So while I don’t want to put more work on our Black sisters, I really appreciate it when they provide their thoughts and perspective on these criminal Justice issues. In fact, I think it’s their viewpoints I am most interested in, as they live at the intersection of two different forms of disadvantage, so they are uniquely situation to see the nuance in some of these problems.

The people pushing these crazy, damaging policies the hardest are white women. So, instead of making excuses to sit silent, you should talk to your fellow white women. You should talk to white men too.

This. Maybe they get too emotional to find rational solutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a LOT of money is being spent without people getting the help they need, this man was saying he was hungry and wanted to go back to jail to have basic needs met.

Public safety is also deteriorating, especially on public transit in major cities, esp NY but including DC. Some are getting rich but the status quo does not seem to be working for anyone else.

It is cruel to have the mentally ill living like animals on the street.

Basic safety and order used to be understood as part of the social contract with the government. In the 90s things swung far in the direction of 3 strikes, etc. Why can't a middle ground be found?

Successful business people have to know how to solve problems.

Our Democrat politicians have mastered the art of just talking about the problems. What incentive do they have to solve one single problem?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the PP upthread, as a white woman I really appreciate your thoughtful post and also for your speaking up for women. I know you are more likely to be assaulted than I am, but I have been harassed on the street by homeless men of various races, and I do feel at risk in a way that I think men do not. (The homeless guy who poured a gallon of urine on someone last fall? You can het it wasn’t another guy!). But it’s complicated for white woman to speak up about crime. When they took SROs out of our schools, there was a discussion at the PTA meeting and even though I supported the program, I did not feel comfortable saying that—in part because as a suite person I don’t really know what the impact of the program is on black students. So while I don’t want to put more work on our Black sisters, I really appreciate it when they provide their thoughts and perspective on these criminal Justice issues. In fact, I think it’s their viewpoints I am most interested in, as they live at the intersection of two different forms of disadvantage, so they are uniquely situation to see the nuance in some of these problems.

The people pushing these crazy, damaging policies the hardest are white women. So, instead of making excuses to sit silent, you should talk to your fellow white women. You should talk to white men too.

This. Maybe they get too emotional to find rational solutions.

Nope. It’s selfishness posing as politics. They advocate policies that hurt other people, not them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a LOT of money is being spent without people getting the help they need, this man was saying he was hungry and wanted to go back to jail to have basic needs met.

Public safety is also deteriorating, especially on public transit in major cities, esp NY but including DC. Some are getting rich but the status quo does not seem to be working for anyone else.

It is cruel to have the mentally ill living like animals on the street.

Basic safety and order used to be understood as part of the social contract with the government. In the 90s things swung far in the direction of 3 strikes, etc. Why can't a middle ground be found?

Canada is extending MAID to people with chronically, incurable mental illness. I can’t say I disagree with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a LOT of money is being spent without people getting the help they need, this man was saying he was hungry and wanted to go back to jail to have basic needs met.

Public safety is also deteriorating, especially on public transit in major cities, esp NY but including DC. Some are getting rich but the status quo does not seem to be working for anyone else.

It is cruel to have the mentally ill living like animals on the street.

Basic safety and order used to be understood as part of the social contract with the government. In the 90s things swung far in the direction of 3 strikes, etc. Why can't a middle ground be found?

Canada is extending MAID to people with chronically, incurable mental illness. I can’t say I disagree with that.

Whoa—not too far then to the eugenics practiced in Nordic countries in the 30s to 50s.