Unvaccinated Students & School Closures

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

Fauci just said the other day that vaccinated people can spread Covid, particularly the delta variant. If true, that means there is no logic to allowing vaccinated without masks and unvaccinated with when you are talking about indoors for hours with the same people in which circumstances spread is more readily likely even at low virus rates

You're in no position to question the Mayor's order. Teachers must report, vaccinated or not. There is no quarantine any more. The jig us up.

Friend, I think you are perceiving something that isn't there. The educators that at least are commenting on this thread have no where suggested they are not coming in to work in the Fall.

Then it's simply a whine-fest without any purpose other than hot air. Give your mattress a break and report.

Well, DCUM is generally a whine-fest, so....*shrug*

There also are actual substantive things being discussed in this thread -- it is largely about the impact of exposure on 2-week quarantines on in-person educational continuity, and the interaction of vaccination with that. You are welcome to join in those discussions.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

Honest question- do they not have to currently show the school (or the county etc) their proof of vaccination against communicable diseases? I work in health care and this is standard. If we can’t provide proof of vaccination since we don’t have our MMR shot record from 40 years ago, we get titers drawn. It’s a non issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok then, should unvaccinated teachers teach in person?

I am vaccinated but said I was not when compelled to report on Peoplesoft.
I was a sucker who went back for IPL in January and watched while the 'terrified" teachers sat at home and did nothing.

My guess is that DCPS will give the unvaccinated folks a few days off or a financial incentive to get the vaccine. Sign me up!

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

Fauci just said the other day that vaccinated people can spread Covid, particularly the delta variant. If true, that means there is no logic to allowing vaccinated without masks and unvaccinated with when you are talking about indoors for hours with the same people in which circumstances spread is more readily likely even at low virus rates

You're in no position to question the Mayor's order. Teachers must report, vaccinated or not. There is no quarantine any more. The jig us up.

Friend, I think you are perceiving something that isn't there. The educators that at least are commenting on this thread have no where suggested they are not coming in to work in the Fall.

Then it's simply a whine-fest without any purpose other than hot air. Give your mattress a break and report.

Well, DCUM is generally a whine-fest, so....*shrug*

There also are actual substantive things being discussed in this thread -- it is largely about the impact of exposure on 2-week quarantines on in-person educational continuity, and the interaction of vaccination with that. You are welcome to join in those discussions.

Then start a thread for neurotic people. The rest of us live in reality. The new reality is the Mayor's Order.

Report!

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Anonymous wrote:^ Adding that none of this is the children's fault, since they cannot go out and get vaccinated without parental approval. So the equity reason is to shield unvaccinated kids from the social repercussions of being singled out as belonging to those families.

Yeah, but they deserve the social repercussions. Maybe THEY can convince their idiot parents to get the shots.

Let’s mock and punish children for not making their parents bend to their will. Does your 12 year old make their own decisions about things that you control? Like if they said no to the vaccine you would have allowed that? How is a 12 year old supposed to convince their parents of something they don’t believe?

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Unvaccinated children should be taught remotely. Period.

So elementary schools should remain closed for the upcoming school year?

This thread is for MS and HS! DGAF about elementary schools.

What a gem

I now realize the vast majority of people in this forum have little kids, which would explain many of the ignorant comments made about MS and HS. Not much of the information is first hand knowledge and parents with little kids make a lot of assumptions about HS. This actually has been very enlightening! Thank you everyone.

What a non sequitur to being called out for “not giving a f*ck” about younger kids.

Like there are a ton of threads for elementary parents to air their grievances on and no ones chimes in when the grievance doesn’t apply to older kids. I don’t have kids in elementary school and I am pretty sure you, as an elementary school parent, would not care to hear my opinion on what should happen in elementary schools.

I’m arguing that those student who are of age to be vaccinated but for whatever reason aren’t, should not be in the same classroom as vaccinated students because it seems unfair to have schools close for their poor choice.

Just keep trying to deflect from the nastiness of your comment… By the way, I have kids in both elementary and middle school. As do many others here.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Adding that none of this is the children's fault, since they cannot go out and get vaccinated without parental approval. So the equity reason is to shield unvaccinated kids from the social repercussions of being singled out as belonging to those families.

Yeah, but they deserve the social repercussions. Maybe THEY can convince their idiot parents to get the shots.

Let’s mock and punish children for not making their parents bend to their will. Does your 12 year old make their own decisions about things that you control? Like if they said no to the vaccine you would have allowed that? How is a 12 year old supposed to convince their parents of something they don’t believe?

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Unvaccinated children should be taught remotely. Period.

So elementary schools should remain closed for the upcoming school year?

This thread is for MS and HS! DGAF about elementary schools.

What a gem

It makes sense that elementary should be open and masked..if adults in the building are vaccinated and the children's parents are vaccinated that would help a lot. For the over 12 crowd, the unvaccinated should wear masks and the vaccinated should have a choice. Fair isn't always equal (famous equity saying, right?)

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

The Mayor's Order dispenses with the privacy concerns and puts the burden on the teachers: show your proof of vaccination, then no mask required; no proof of vaccination, then you gots to wear the mask. Pretty simple stuff.

Notably, quarantine rules based on exposure have nothing to do with masking. I'm not sure why this is a pertinent point for you. Sure, the teachers have to show up, vaxxed or not, and they can take off the mask if they are vaxxed.

But the point about quarantines, which seems to be missed:

Scenario 1:
--DCPS continues to say in the fall that exposure means a two week quarantine, regardless of vax status (that's the current rule)
--a student gets covid, and the whole class (including the teacher) quarantines from home for 2 weeks

Scenario 2:
--DCPS adopts the CDC guidelines that say that vaxxed people don't need to quarantine if they are exposed
--Scenario 2.A: the teacher is vaxxed. A student gets covid, and all the vaxxed students stay in person. The TEACHER also stays in class, and I guess simulcasts. The unvaxxed kids go home for 2 week quarantine.
--Scenario 2.B: the teacher is unvaxxed. A student gets covid. The TEACHER must go home for a 2-week quarantine, and so probably ALL of the kids go home for two weeks. The students' vax status doesn't matter.

Discerning between Scenario 2.A and 2.B requires the teacher to divulge his/her vax status, which s/he is not required to do unless it is contractually negotiated with WTU. So if s/he doesn't have to divulge their status, it doesn't matter if DCPS adopts the CDC guidance. Scenario 1 is the same as Scenario 2.

The points:
1. Unvaxxed teachers and students increase the likelihood of covid on school grounds, increasing the likelihood of IPL disruptions and simulcasting. Probably everyone will hate that for various reasons.
2. Even if DCPS adopts the CDC guidelines about vaccination and quarantine, if teachers don't have to provide vax status, we still are still in Scenario 1.
3. Maybe we get to Scenario 2.A (the best scenario) if teachers voluntarily provide their vax status.
4. We never get to Scenario 2.A if the teacher isn't vaxxed.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

Fauci just said the other day that vaccinated people can spread Covid, particularly the delta variant. If true, that means there is no logic to allowing vaccinated without masks and unvaccinated with when you are talking about indoors for hours with the same people in which circumstances spread is more readily likely even at low virus rates

You're in no position to question the Mayor's order. Teachers must report, vaccinated or not. There is no quarantine any more. The jig us up.

Friend, I think you are perceiving something that isn't there. The educators that at least are commenting on this thread have no where suggested they are not coming in to work in the Fall.

Then it's simply a whine-fest without any purpose other than hot air. Give your mattress a break and report.

Well, DCUM is generally a whine-fest, so....*shrug*

There also are actual substantive things being discussed in this thread -- it is largely about the impact of exposure on 2-week quarantines on in-person educational continuity, and the interaction of vaccination with that. You are welcome to join in those discussions.

Then start a thread for neurotic people. The rest of us live in reality. The new reality is the Mayor's Order.

Report!

Where shall I report to General? My current place of employment is closed. Shall I stand outside your room to show I ready for duty? I have my vaccination card, my vaxxed bracelet and a COVID test all ready for inspection. Just let me know where to report.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

Honest question- do they not have to currently show the school (or the county etc) their proof of vaccination against communicable diseases? I work in health care and this is standard. If we can’t provide proof of vaccination since we don’t have our MMR shot record from 40 years ago, we get titers drawn. It’s a non issue.

I don't believe so, and it sounds like it is a big issue for them. Teachers are very concerned about their "individual medical records" being private.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

Fauci just said the other day that vaccinated people can spread Covid, particularly the delta variant. If true, that means there is no logic to allowing vaccinated without masks and unvaccinated with when you are talking about indoors for hours with the same people in which circumstances spread is more readily likely even at low virus rates

You're in no position to question the Mayor's order. Teachers must report, vaccinated or not. There is no quarantine any more. The jig us up.

Friend, I think you are perceiving something that isn't there. The educators that at least are commenting on this thread have no where suggested they are not coming in to work in the Fall.

Then it's simply a whine-fest without any purpose other than hot air. Give your mattress a break and report.

Well, DCUM is generally a whine-fest, so....*shrug*

There also are actual substantive things being discussed in this thread -- it is largely about the impact of exposure on 2-week quarantines on in-person educational continuity, and the interaction of vaccination with that. You are welcome to join in those discussions.

Then start a thread for neurotic people. The rest of us live in reality. The new reality is the Mayor's Order.

Report!

See, so....I'm a parent who has long-supported reopening and I even think you might be having some myopia and/or a reading comprehension problem.

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Let's just all agree that the real problem for the Fall is the anti-vaxxers.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just all agree that the real problem for the Fall is the anti-vaxxers.

An Employee Assistance Counselor would be a better place for them than this thread. Maybe a prescription of some sort.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

The Mayor's Order dispenses with the privacy concerns and puts the burden on the teachers: show your proof of vaccination, then no mask required; no proof of vaccination, then you gots to wear the mask. Pretty simple stuff.

Notably, quarantine rules based on exposure have nothing to do with masking. I'm not sure why this is a pertinent point for you. Sure, the teachers have to show up, vaxxed or not, and they can take off the mask if they are vaxxed.

But the point about quarantines, which seems to be missed:

Scenario 1:
--DCPS continues to say in the fall that exposure means a two week quarantine, regardless of vax status (that's the current rule)
--a student gets covid, and the whole class (including the teacher) quarantines from home for 2 weeks

Scenario 2:
--DCPS adopts the CDC guidelines that say that vaxxed people don't need to quarantine if they are exposed
--Scenario 2.A: the teacher is vaxxed. A student gets covid, and all the vaxxed students stay in person. The TEACHER also stays in class, and I guess simulcasts. The unvaxxed kids go home for 2 week quarantine.
--Scenario 2.B: the teacher is unvaxxed. A student gets covid. The TEACHER must go home for a 2-week quarantine, and so probably ALL of the kids go home for two weeks. The students' vax status doesn't matter.

Discerning between Scenario 2.A and 2.B requires the teacher to divulge his/her vax status, which s/he is not required to do unless it is contractually negotiated with WTU. So if s/he doesn't have to divulge their status, it doesn't matter if DCPS adopts the CDC guidance. Scenario 1 is the same as Scenario 2.

The points:
1. Unvaxxed teachers and students increase the likelihood of covid on school grounds, increasing the likelihood of IPL disruptions and simulcasting. Probably everyone will hate that for various reasons.
2. Even if DCPS adopts the CDC guidelines about vaccination and quarantine, if teachers don't have to provide vax status, we still are still in Scenario 1.
3. Maybe we get to Scenario 2.A (the best scenario) if teachers voluntarily provide their vax status.
4. We never get to Scenario 2.A if the teacher isn't vaxxed.

This is actually a great starting point for school policy makers. Please send this to the Chancellor! I feel like none of this has been thought of yet by them.

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

Honest question- do they not have to currently show the school (or the county etc) their proof of vaccination against communicable diseases? I work in health care and this is standard. If we can’t provide proof of vaccination since we don’t have our MMR shot record from 40 years ago, we get titers drawn. It’s a non issue.

I don't believe so, and it sounds like it is a big issue for them. Teachers are very concerned about their "individual medical records" being private.

It blows me away that teachers get to have concerns about reporting vaccinations to their employers, when presumably, they are fine with children having to have their vaccination statuses reported. Parents are required to fill out these long-ass health forms with all kinds of detail, and teachers are too concerned about having exactly one piece of information to report, related to the most overwhelming public health crisis in recent memory.

Be intellectually consistent, teachers. Either no one, including children, should ever have to report any health information to schools, or everyone should, including you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:why would middle and high schools close when there is a positive case? CDC guidance says vaccinated people don't have to quarantine when exposed. Send the unvaccinated home and let the sane, vaccinated students continue their education.

This is a DCPS policy.

That is a pre-vaccination policy. I don't believe DCPS has updated its policies for this school year. Still waiting for DOH to issue new guidance following the CDC new guidance.

Actually how would it work if there are different quarantine rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated? One would have to disclose vaccination status, but that brings privacy concerns. So why not just lie if one is unvaccinated? Since we won't be able to know who is vaccinated or not, and given that some people will lie about being vaccinated, that means erring on the side of safety and making everyone quarantine.

Schools have been collecting student vaccination info since forever. There has never been privacy concerns about your school knowing you got your tdap booster at age 11. I dont see why covid vaccine info would be any different. If there is a covid outbreak in a school, unvaccinated students should quarantine away, obviously, for their health and safety. Vaccinated students shouldn’t have to worry.

Privacy concerns are among the teachers.

Honest question- do they not have to currently show the school (or the county etc) their proof of vaccination against communicable diseases? I work in health care and this is standard. If we can’t provide proof of vaccination since we don’t have our MMR shot record from 40 years ago, we get titers drawn. It’s a non issue.

I don't believe so, and it sounds like it is a big issue for them. Teachers are very concerned about their "individual medical records" being private.

It blows me away that teachers get to have concerns about reporting vaccinations to their employers, when presumably, they are fine with children having to have their vaccination statuses reported. Parents are required to fill out these long-ass health forms with all kinds of detail, and teachers are too concerned about having exactly one piece of information to report, related to the most overwhelming public health crisis in recent memory.

Be intellectually consistent, teachers. Either no one, including children, should ever have to report any health information to schools, or everyone should, including you.

We do submit all that information prior to being hired by dcps. The only hold up has been working with DCPS to aggregate the Covid vax information district wide