If I rolled my eyes at my boss, I'd be fired. And I'd deserve it. |
Good riddance, anyone who thinks they should be fired over an eye roll clearly has issues. |
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Cue the manufactured tears to mommy or daddy in HR. “My boss said I can’t roll my eyes at her, it’s so unfair!” Stomp. Stomp.
At what age is it no longer acceptable to act like you are 4? |
As did the lazy part. |
I work in a professional setting, where we are expected to discuss issues and disagreements using words. I'm not sure how they run things at the Dunkin Donuts you work at. |
I'd agree. I think there are ways to be a super terrible parents but outside of that there is no one formula. What you describe was the situation in my DH's own family, except his dad (especially) never was willing to find other ways. So there was a perfectly behaved girl and a very, very rebellious boy who had a hard time in his own life once the ongoing battle with his dad was no longer the prevailing theme of his life. |
I doubt that when something really triggers you that you immediately are calm and act in a fully calculated way. That’s the definition of being upset. But let’s say that hypothetically what you say is true. It’s still a fact that 4y olds pre frontal cortex is not developed and they literally don’t have the self control to internalise “calming down” by themselves yet. They need to let the feelings out. |
I hear that it’s really frustrating to you when you meet with people at work who don’t treat others with respect. That’s very annoying. I hear that you’re worried about raising a child like this, and you really want your child to understand that respect to authorities is not negotiable. You want them to know that regardless of how they feel, they need to show respect. And more than that, you want to live in a world where people raise their children to understand that. I worry that you might be projecting some categories and concepts about authority, hierarchy, and respect in the adult world which are actually quite complex and subtle onto a very young child whose life experience is quite different. I feel curious why you don’t think empathy and communication can be building blocks for better teaching about consequences. From my perspective, the impersonal world of work and the realm of family relationships are distinct. It’s good for children to learn how to operate in settings outside the family and we don’t begin to expect that they can do that independently and responsibly until they are slightly older. When you respond to a question about how to teach a 4 year old by describing how you feel about the work world, I worry that we are talking past each other. We might even agree on the goals and have different perspectives on how to get there. I’m open to learning about how you do that, and I would like it if you were open to different perspectives as well. My personal view is that empathy and communication help pave the way for the child to really accept and understand the consequences of their behavior on others and begin to build self-discipline and genuine character, which is the heart of discipline in general. |
Also meant to say — I worry that projecting those things on a child could make them more frustrated and could lead to feelings of insecurity when they don’t feel they can understand why you feel so strongly that they should do something they don’t get. |
I hear that it's really frustrating for you when parents come to a different conclusion on approaches like whole-brain child. It's very annoying when people don't enthusiastically agree with your philosophy. I worry that because you are so heavily invested in whole-brain, that you are projecting that I must be a cold and petty tyrant because I don't tolerate eyerolling or excessive whining in toddlers. I am curious why you read right past the part where I said that empathy and communication are important. Like the OP, if my toddler experiments with rolling her eyes and walking away when I ask her to do something more than twice, she gets scooped up and we have a conversation in a different location. She can briefly plead her case, but is nicely but firmly told that this behavior is not OK and what my expectations are for what she will do next. I understand that you may do a deeper dive on feelings. I have observed this approach in others and have not been impressed with the results, so I am making a different choice. Separately, as a manager, when I read comments on this thread from posters who think that eyerolling is fine at work, it speaks to my personal observation that there seem to be more and more temper tantrums at work when someone is told no. I frequently wonder if there is a connection between these adult tantrums and a philosophy of everything being negotiable from a young age. My personal view is that some parents who themselves had very strict parents may have over-corrected. |
NP. If you think about it, a vast majority of the adult working population were raised without empathy and acknowledgement of their feelings. So it's obvious to me that lack of these have caused an inability of people to regulate their emotions as adults. |
Where do you hear that PP is frustrated? You must have an interesting management style, if you read into what you hear people saying to you things that they haven’t said. |
Hmm, no one said you were cold and petty, just that other methods might have better long term results based on how children’s brains work. It sounds as if you have such big feelings about this that it’s hard to even consider that idea and whether you have things to learn as a parent. We all can learn more, that doesn’t make us bad parents. |
| If someone rolls their eyes at work they are a. 16 or b. act like a 16 year old. Nobody wants to work with either of these! |
| I have three kids, and parenting needs to adapt to each child's personality. What works for kid 1 doesn't necessarily work for kid 2. We try to blend the 1,2,3 Magic with the Whole Brain Child approach. I don't believe in some of the applications of 1,2,3 Magic (I think kids always deserve a chance to explain once, not immediately go to 1). My kids are still very young, but it seems to be working a bit.. |