New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

It is not a huge percentage of students at TJ who cheat - rather the issue is that you have a smallish cohort of students who are very dedicated to it and very good at it, and who use it to create imbalances in the college admissions process.

It is a source of great frustration at TJ every year when several of the universally known cheaters are admitted to desirable universities. And I mean, these are kids in some cases who have been caught multiple times. But there's no mechanism for removing them from the school, basically no matter how many times they're caught.

there is a mechanism for suspending them. But that would tank their college prospects and make TJ look bad, so it won't happen

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

It is not a huge percentage of students at TJ who cheat - rather the issue is that you have a smallish cohort of students who are very dedicated to it and very good at it, and who use it to create imbalances in the college admissions process.

It is a source of great frustration at TJ every year when several of the universally known cheaters are admitted to desirable universities. And I mean, these are kids in some cases who have been caught multiple times. But there's no mechanism for removing them from the school, basically no matter how many times they're caught.

there is a mechanism for suspending them. But that would tank their college prospects and make TJ look bad, so it won't happen

Yes, but they're required to self-report those disciplinary steps. Schools are prohibited from reporting those because of privacy rights. And kids who cheat are not really known for being honest on their college applications - but that's another topic entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

It is not a huge percentage of students at TJ who cheat - rather the issue is that you have a smallish cohort of students who are very dedicated to it and very good at it, and who use it to create imbalances in the college admissions process.

It is a source of great frustration at TJ every year when several of the universally known cheaters are admitted to desirable universities. And I mean, these are kids in some cases who have been caught multiple times. But there's no mechanism for removing them from the school, basically no matter how many times they're caught.

So kick out the cheaters.

But let's not use the cheaters as an excuse to be racist against Asian Americans.

[Anonymous]

If TJ is 70% African American, it will be celebrated by everyone.
TJ is 70% Asian American, so they must be prepping and cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

I heard that the reason so many White kids chose in person was because it's easier to drink and have sex with their boyfriends and girlfriends when they don't have to stay home? Is drinking and sex really that rampant?

Drink and sex among young kids? Nothing new here

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

I heard that the reason so many White kids chose in person was because it's easier to drink and have sex with their boyfriends and girlfriends when they don't have to stay home? Is drinking and sex really that rampant?

Drink and sex among young kids? Nothing new here

More like drinking, sex, and cheating among teens? Nothing new here.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

I heard that the reason so many White kids chose in person was because it's easier to drink and have sex with their boyfriends and girlfriends when they don't have to stay home? Is drinking and sex really that rampant?

Drink and sex among young kids? Nothing new here

More like drinking, sex, and cheating among teens? Nothing new here.

A fair amount of drinking at TJ, more than you'd expect - but not a lot of sex. By far less than you would see at any other high school, if for no other reason than the kids live forever away from one another.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know this isn't about who studies more. There were people actually cheating on the TJ exams and I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread cheating in certain communities to get a leg up. There is nothing good about the way the old system worked. The new system sucks too but at least it gives a more even playing field.

28% of the class of 2024 came from one single prep company. 133 kids. That same company only had 50 kids admitted a year before.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the list of prepped students has on college admissions. The first and last names of the kids prepped in 2022, 2023 and 2024 are out there and it will likely be shared with college admissions officers. There was a case last year or the year before where a student saw another student has his direct competition for college admissions. The targeted student was tricked into saying a racist term on camera and the other student shares the video with top college admissions.

Other TJ students have already discussed their plans to use these lists against the Curie students, which tells you something about the deep toxicity of the TJ environment. It's not likely, however, to have any sort of impact at all in the college admissions process.

Curie didn't really do anything illegal here, as disgusting and shameful as it was. They shouldn't have any legal liability. But they absolutely did have a major impact on testing being removed as a component of the TJ admissions process, and as a consequence will likely be the single biggest influence in the upcoming decline in the Indian American TJ population over the next 5-10 years.

The lawsuit against FCPS still isn't going anywhere.

hopefully the county uses the lawsuit as an opportunity to depose the students and curie staff. Tough spot for the students, lie under oath and risk the penalties or tell the truth and get expelled

I mean, TJ students don't get expelled for cheating repeatedly while they're actually in the school. There's no way they'd get expelled for this. Might face some repercussions from the company that produces the Quant-Q, since that's supposed to be a secure exam.

I heard the reason so many TJ kids chose virtual over in person is because it's easier to cheat. Is cheating really that rampant?

It is not a huge percentage of students at TJ who cheat - rather the issue is that you have a smallish cohort of students who are very dedicated to it and very good at it, and who use it to create imbalances in the college admissions process.

It is a source of great frustration at TJ every year when several of the universally known cheaters are admitted to desirable universities. And I mean, these are kids in some cases who have been caught multiple times. But there's no mechanism for removing them from the school, basically no matter how many times they're caught.

So kick out the cheaters.

But let's not use the cheaters as an excuse to be racist against Asian Americans.

1) They can't kick out the cheaters

2) Agree - but leveling the playing field so that buying a loaded lottery ticket that's seemingly only available to Indians isn't a thing isn't racist against Asian-Americans

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Why? Why? Why?

Why do you guys blame an entire race? There are a few bad apples in each race. Likewise there is so much to learn from each other.

Can we please stop with this race baiting? I know most of you come here is because you care for your kids. Is this the example you want to set for them?

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Anonymous wrote:Why? Why? Why?

Why do you guys blame an entire race? There are a few bad apples in each race. Likewise there is so much to learn from each other.

Can we please stop with this race baiting? I know most of you come here is because you care for your kids. Is this the example you want to set for them?

why? why? why? does a system that can be and is being gamed have to be perpetuated?

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Anonymous wrote:Why? Why? Why?

Why do you guys blame an entire race? There are a few bad apples in each race. Likewise there is so much to learn from each other.

Can we please stop with this race baiting? I know most of you come here is because you care for your kids. Is this the example you want to set for them?

This is not a coherent thought. Try again.

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Overwhelming public evidence exists that the new TJ admissions process was adopted with the purpose of disadvantaging Asian-American students and reducing Asian American enrollment at TJ. As such, these changes violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Helping URMs is a noble goal, but you cannot be biased against Asian Americans in the process. The board essentially gerrymandered the application process to kneecap Asian Americans. The intent is clear.

The application process needs to be redesigned by a board that doesn't hold stereotypes against Asian Americans. The board didn't even pretend to be neutral.

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Anonymous wrote:Overwhelming public evidence exists that the new TJ admissions process was adopted with the purpose of disadvantaging Asian-American students and reducing Asian American enrollment at TJ. As such, these changes violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Helping URMs is a noble goal, but you cannot be biased against Asian Americans in the process. The board essentially gerrymandered the application process to kneecap Asian Americans. The intent is clear.

The application process needs to be redesigned by a board that doesn't hold stereotypes against Asian Americans. The board didn't even pretend to be neutral.

By definition increasing URM numbers at TJ will decrease Asian and White numbers- the math is really simple there. You're basically saying that desegregation is a per se violation of the equal protection clause because it necessarily disadvantages one race- good luck with that

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Anonymous wrote:The Pacific Legal Foundation filed a lawsuit against Brabrand and the School Board today in federal district court on behalf of a primarily Asian advocacy group alleging the changes to the TJ admissions process were racially motivated and violate the Equal Protection Clause.

https://pacificlegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Coalition-for-TJ-v.-Fairfax-County-School-Board.pdf

This one will require more resources to defend than the one filed in local court. Why is Brabrand subjecting FCPS to such litigation risk over and over again? He got hired saying "the main thing was the main thing." People naively thought he meant academics; instead, it's turned out to be "equity" initiatives that invite judicial challenges.

because the NAACP made it clear that they would have filed the same suit with out changes and, unlike the plaintiffs here, they would have case law on their side

Unlikely. NAACP complaints about the prior admissions system at TJ were filed with the Education Department under Obama and went nowhere. If all you have is a difference between the percentage of Black and Hispanic kids in FCPS and the percentage of Black and Hispanic kids at TJ, that won't get you very far.

This whole TJ thing is motivated by critical race theory (CRT). Proponents of which perceives TJ as one of the symbol that concentrates power into current white dominated system and one that that should be and could be easily dismantled. It won’t do much good for the URMs but make the social justice warriors happy. It may not be racist but definitely smothered in racial politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Overwhelming public evidence exists that the new TJ admissions process was adopted with the purpose of disadvantaging Asian-American students and reducing Asian American enrollment at TJ. As such, these changes violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Helping URMs is a noble goal, but you cannot be biased against Asian Americans in the process. The board essentially gerrymandered the application process to kneecap Asian Americans. The intent is clear.

The application process needs to be redesigned by a board that doesn't hold stereotypes against Asian Americans. The board didn't even pretend to be neutral.

By definition increasing URM numbers at TJ will decrease Asian and White numbers- the math is really simple there. You're basically saying that desegregation is a per se violation of the equal protection clause because it necessarily disadvantages one race- good luck with that

+1. This lawyer who wrote the Hill op-Ed piece is either a staggeringly poor lawyer or a staggeringly brilliant businesswoman. These families are going to end up paying gobs and gobs of legal fees - both their own and FCPS’ if the case is even heard - and it’s only going to get worse the further up they appeal.

And for what? If you’re the type of kid who is helped by the old admissions process, you’re also the type of kid whose college admissions prospects will be hurt by going to TJ over your base school. It just doesn’t add up.