UVA should be quarantined to isolated section to stop the contamination of crass and misinformation

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

It is clearly not obvious since you did not say " for VA students".

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

It is clearly not obvious since you did not say " for VA students".

Not PP, but don't you think when she says in "for an in-state", it's implied "for VA students"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

It is clearly not obvious since you did not say " for VA students".

Not PP, but don't you think when she says in "for an in-state", it's implied "for VA students"?

"in-state" status applies to any students attending public colleges and universities in the US. UVA does not have monopoly on the "in-state" status. Therefore, the poster is saying that VA in-state/full-pay student has the best value compared to any other "in-state/full-pay" students even if I adopt the poster's argument.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

UVA is a very good school, but you aren't citing any facts. I don't think UVA really looks much different from other fine options in Virginia (VT and W&M) if you look at different data points. I added Duke to the comparison below as a top private comparison point, and you can see it does pretty well in the comparison:

NPV over working lifetime (Income - Cost, not adjusted for majors. Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke - $1,754,000
VT - $1,313,000
UVA - $1,291,000
W&M - $1,227,000

Value Add (Difference in annual early mid-career income between actual income and expected income [adjusted for mix of majors and selectivity]. Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke: +$14,900
W&M: +$1,300
VT: +$1,000
UVA: -$2,500

Student Loan Default Rate (2017 Cohort, US National Student Loans Data Systems)

Duke: .9%
W&M: 1.0%
UVA: 1.6%
VT: 1.6%

% still looking for employment 6 months after graduation (Class of 2018 - pre-Covid - school graduate surveys)

W&M: 5%
VT: 14%
UVA: 17%
Duke: N/A

% of graduates saying their jobs have "high meaning" (Payscale)

Duke: 55%
VT: 51%
UVA: 49%
W&M: 49%

% of graduates saying they got their money's worth from education (Niche)

W&M: 90%
Duke: 84%
VT: 84%
UVA: 78%

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

I have lived in both California and in areas where there are many UMich alums. Spirited, yes, but not "relentlessly snooty" as I've found many UVA alums and boosters to be, what with thinking they are God's gift to this planet. UCLA and UMich especially are not known for their pretentiousness and for putting on airs.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

It is clearly not obvious since you did not say " for VA students".

Not PP, but don't you think when she says in "for an in-state", it's implied "for VA students"?

"in-state" status applies to any students attending public colleges and universities in the US. UVA does not have monopoly on the "in-state" status. Therefore, the poster is saying that VA in-state/full-pay student has the best value compared to any other "in-state/full-pay" students even if I adopt the poster's argument.

DP. Everyone understands PP was referring to VA residents who also can't get aid from OOS schools. You are not very bright if you can't comprehend it. There is no point of comparing CA residents going to UCLA with VA residents going to UVA because the other choice means OOS tuition.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

It sure seems to me there could be quite a few depending on where you live, what you value, and what you want to do. For engineering, there are quite a few. Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Michigan, Purdue, Texas, Wisconsin, UCLA, Maryland, etc. And Virginia Tech is much more complete and probably every bit as good of a value in state. If you are focusing in an area like computer science, you could say the same thing again.

For a more general education, it is perhaps a more limited set, but you could certainly make a case for schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, and William and Mary.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

UVA is not the only school that offers great value. You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student".

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point.

UVA is a very good school, but you aren't citing any facts. I don't think UVA really looks much different from other fine options in Virginia (VT and W&M) if you look at different data points. I added Duke to the comparison below as a top private comparison point, and you can see it does pretty well in the comparison:

NPV over working lifetime (Income - Cost, not adjusted for majors. Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke - $1,754,000
VT - $1,313,000
UVA - $1,291,000
W&M - $1,227,000

Value Add (Difference in annual early mid-career income between actual income and expected income [adjusted for mix of majors and selectivity]. Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke: +$14,900
W&M: +$1,300
VT: +$1,000
UVA: -$2,500

Student Loan Default Rate (2017 Cohort, US National Student Loans Data Systems)

Duke: .9%
W&M: 1.0%
UVA: 1.6%
VT: 1.6%

% still looking for employment 6 months after graduation (Class of 2018 - pre-Covid - school graduate surveys)

W&M: 5%
VT: 14%
UVA: 17%
Duke: N/A

% of graduates saying their jobs have "high meaning" (Payscale)

Duke: 55%
VT: 51%
UVA: 49%
W&M: 49%

% of graduates saying they got their money's worth from education (Niche)

W&M: 90%
Duke: 84%
VT: 84%
UVA: 78%

It is a bad idea to give kids any impression that "they've got it made" or have any sort of entitlement just by being admitted to some school. Looking at the percentages still looking for employment after 6 months and the % who say their jobs have high meaning, it is clear that there is a lot of competition out there.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

UVA is not the only school that offers great value. You are delusional.

If you are really concerned with future earnings, your choice of major may be a much bigger factor than the school. Also, when I've looked at future earnings from good public schools, they look pretty similar if you consider that some kids (e.g. UC System) are more likely to settle in high cost areas that also have somewhat higher pay. The other factor appears to be the number in high pay majors like engineering. Georgie Tech is actually ahead of even schools like Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan in ROI, but that is almost certainly because 65% or so are majoring in engineering, which is much higher than those other schools. That doesn't mean Georgia Tech engineers necessarily earn more than engineers from Berkeley or Michigan.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

UVA is not the only school that offers great value. You are delusional.

If you are really concerned with future earnings, your choice of major may be a much bigger factor than the school. Also, when I've looked at future earnings from good public schools, they look pretty similar if you consider that some kids (e.g. UC System) are more likely to settle in high cost areas that also have somewhat higher pay. The other factor appears to be the number in high pay majors like engineering. Georgie Tech is actually ahead of even schools like Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan in ROI, but that is almost certainly because 65% or so are majoring in engineering, which is much higher than those other schools. That doesn't mean Georgia Tech engineers necessarily earn more than engineers from Berkeley or Michigan.

Don't you know DCUM folks look down on STEM majors?

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

UVA is not the only school that offers great value. You are delusional.

If you are really concerned with future earnings, your choice of major may be a much bigger factor than the school. Also, when I've looked at future earnings from good public schools, they look pretty similar if you consider that some kids (e.g. UC System) are more likely to settle in high cost areas that also have somewhat higher pay. The other factor appears to be the number in high pay majors like engineering. Georgie Tech is actually ahead of even schools like Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan in ROI, but that is almost certainly because 65% or so are majoring in engineering, which is much higher than those other schools. That doesn't mean Georgia Tech engineers necessarily earn more than engineers from Berkeley or Michigan.

Don't you know DCUM folks look down on STEM majors?

You can't spell stem without SJW or pathetic lib....it's science.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

It sure seems to me there could be quite a few depending on where you live, what you value, and what you want to do. For engineering, there are quite a few. Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Michigan, Purdue, Texas, Wisconsin, UCLA, Maryland, etc. And Virginia Tech is much more complete and probably every bit as good of a value in state. If you are focusing in an area like computer science, you could say the same thing again.

For a more general education, it is perhaps a more limited set, but you could certainly make a case for schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, and William and Mary.

Vatech grads make more on average than UVA grads.