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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, [b]I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student[/b]. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

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I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to  display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student". [/quote]

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point. [/quote]

UVA is a very good school, but you aren't citing any facts.  I don't think UVA really looks much different from other fine options in Virginia (VT and W&M) if you look at different data points.  I added Duke to the comparison below as a top private comparison point, and you can see it does pretty well in the comparison:

NPV over working lifetime (Income - Cost, not adjusted for majors.  Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke - $1,754,000
VT - $1,313,000
UVA - $1,291,000
W&M - $1,227,000

Value Add (Difference in annual early mid-career income between actual income and expected income [adjusted for mix of majors and selectivity].  Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke: +$14,900
W&M: +$1,300
VT: +$1,000
UVA: -$2,500

Student Loan Default Rate (2017 Cohort, US National Student Loans Data Systems)

Duke: .9%
W&M: 1.0%
UVA: 1.6%
VT: 1.6%

% still looking for employment 6 months after graduation (Class of 2018 - pre-Covid - school graduate surveys)

W&M:  5%
VT: 14%
UVA: 17%
Duke:  N/A

% of graduates saying their jobs have "high meaning" (Payscale)

Duke:  55%
VT: 51%
UVA: 49%
W&M: 49%

% of graduates saying they got their money's worth from education (Niche)

W&M:  90%
Duke:  84%
VT:  84%
UVA:  78%

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