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No one is saying UVA is HPY. What people are saying - and it is true - is that UVA is Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, UNC, Michigan (I.e. similarly ranked) for 40% the cost. And, it’s much closer to the DMV than many of those schools, has great school spirit and athletics, and top-notch graduate programs too. Essentially, it is a massive value in an elite or near-elite space. Personally, [b]I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student[/b]. If it wasn’t already clear, that’s the appeal. Somehow though, I think everyone already knows this, but there is jealousy among those who can’t partake and probably a bit too much excitement, turned pride and even arrogance, among those who can.

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I can think of several that not only match but clearly exceed: Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. On top of that, graduates of those institutions are not known to have "relentless boosterism and snootiness". Matches: Texas, UNC, UIUC, Wisconsin, Washington all as good or better and their graduates are not known to  display "relentless boosterism and snootiness ".

In fact, the PP is a classic example of this "relentless boosterism and snootiness" - "I don’t know of another college that can match UVA’s value for an in-state, full-pay student". [/quote]

PP. I obviously meant for a VA student. Obviously Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, and the like are similar for their in-state students. And, I’m sure that graduates of those schools are just as proud -we just don’t live there to hear it. In fact, many on DCUM complain about Michigan boosterism. Stop with the quibbles and make a more interesting and less obvious point. [/quote]

UVA is a very good school, but you aren't citing any facts.  I don't think UVA really looks much different from other fine options in Virginia (VT and W&M) if you look at different data points.  I added Duke to the comparison below as a top private comparison point, and you can see it does pretty well in the comparison:

NPV over working lifetime (Income - Cost, not adjusted for majors.  Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke - $1,754,000
VT - $1,313,000
UVA - $1,291,000
W&M - $1,227,000

Value Add (Difference in annual early mid-career income between actual income and expected income [adjusted for mix of majors and selectivity].  Center for Education in the Workplace)

Duke: +$14,900
W&M: +$1,300
VT: +$1,000
UVA: -$2,500

Student Loan Default Rate (2017 Cohort, US National Student Loans Data Systems)

Duke: .9%
W&M: 1.0%
UVA: 1.6%
VT: 1.6%

% still looking for employment 6 months after graduation (Class of 2018 - pre-Covid - school graduate surveys)

W&M:  5%
VT: 14%
UVA: 17%
Duke:  N/A

% of graduates saying their jobs have "high meaning" (Payscale)

Duke:  55%
VT: 51%
UVA: 49%
W&M: 49%

% of graduates saying they got their money's worth from education (Niche)

W&M:  90%
Duke:  84%
VT:  84%
UVA:  78%

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It is a bad idea to give kids any impression that "they've got it made" or have any sort of entitlement just by being admitted to some school.  Looking at the percentages still looking for employment after 6 months and the % who say their jobs have high meaning, it is clear that there is a lot of competition out there.  [/quote]

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