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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

This absolutely proves that there was overall very little outside interest in FCV.

I've always felt it a bit unfair to attack FCV by being built through recruitment. But by the same token a quality program should be able to develop a good chunk of its roster internally while still drawing the absolute top talent from surrounding clubs. You don't want to many outside kids but to many inside also show not only a lack of interest but also a lack of competitive push inside the club.

Perhaps there was interest from outside players but I doubt that all talented challengers were beaten back by the 14-18th kid. Either way, it shows that talent will now more than ever stay where they started.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

You want to strike a balance to be top tier destination club. In the days of just ECNL FCV and McLean were top tier destination clubs in the area. With DA and ECNL expanding both clubs have lost their destination moniker.

It is disturbing if most of the players at club were recruited and it is just as disturbing if there is very little outside interest either.

I'm sure FCV management can spin this to the parents that "of course there was heavy outside interest, it is just that our kids are just so well developed and so much better than anyone else who came."

And that is likely true of those who came but it is unlikely that the absolute best players truly came either. So the comment is true but the scale has adjusted to make it so.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

You want to strike a balance to be top tier destination club. In the days of just ECNL FCV and McLean were top tier destination clubs in the area. With DA and ECNL expanding both clubs have lost their destination moniker.

It is disturbing if most of the players at club were recruited and it is just as disturbing if there is very little outside interest either.

I'm sure FCV management can spin this to the parents that "of course there was heavy outside interest, it is just that our kids are just so well developed and so much better than anyone else who came."

And that is likely true of those who came but it is unlikely that the absolute best players truly came either. So the comment is true but the scale has adjusted to make it so.

If FCV Management tried to spin this as heavy interest the parents would laugh at them. The parents were at the ID sessions and know how few outsiders showed up.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

So we have proved something that hasn't happened yet? Ok.

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Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

Exactly. The word for these posters is envy. Period. FCV has warts and crazy parents like everywhere else, but the success of the teams is not debatable. These posters sound hopeful that this will change. Maybe it will or maybe it won't. But the only thing proven is what has already happened not what posters on this board think or hope will happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

And that proof demonstrates the other side of the same coin, little to no outside interest in FCV.

You want balance. For years the balance was with many outside players and recruitment. Now the balance is very few outside players, INDICATING little no no outside interest in the club.

Neither scenario is ideal. This is not a matter of moving the goal posts. Supply and demand are the issue now and there are just to many as good options for talented players to simply stay where they are or move only to the geographic closest best option. The majority of players interested in FCV or any other club frankly are players who's parents feel their own club overlooked their child or just no longer wish to remain. Many are also B and C team players seeing if they can get lucky and hop onto a DA or ECNL team in another club hoping a set of fresh eyes will see them differently. But that is far from TOP talent truly seeking FCV or other cubs out as in days not to long ago.

And this is not a bash on FCV, this is what the landscape is now and for the foreseeable future. The constant attacks on Spirit/Metro are indicative of this landscape. FCV isn't afraid of Metro now, but they are concerned about the overall hit on diluting the player pool overall for them going forward. Loudoun getting ECNL has dried up the well significantly for FCV. If posts here are indicators that confirms the overall lack of interest form a neighboring club that did provide a number of players over the years.

So now the question is how will FCV fare going forward? Did they develop quality players and teams? We'll soon see. If they did, then they will be fine, if they didn't it will be shown soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

And that proof demonstrates the other side of the same coin, little to no outside interest in FCV.

You want balance. For years the balance was with many outside players and recruitment. Now the balance is very few outside players, INDICATING little no no outside interest in the club.

Neither scenario is ideal. This is not a matter of moving the goal posts. Supply and demand are the issue now and there are just to many as good options for talented players to simply stay where they are or move only to the geographic closest best option. The majority of players interested in FCV or any other club frankly are players who's parents feel their own club overlooked their child or just no longer wish to remain. Many are also B and C team players seeing if they can get lucky and hop onto a DA or ECNL team in another club hoping a set of fresh eyes will see them differently. But that is far from TOP talent truly seeking FCV or other cubs out as in days not to long ago.

And this is not a bash on FCV, this is what the landscape is now and for the foreseeable future. The constant attacks on Spirit/Metro are indicative of this landscape. FCV isn't afraid of Metro now, but they are concerned about the overall hit on diluting the player pool overall for them going forward. Loudoun getting ECNL has dried up the well significantly for FCV. If posts here are indicators that confirms the overall lack of interest form a neighboring club that did provide a number of players over the years.

So now the question is how will FCV fare going forward? Did they develop quality players and teams? We'll soon see. If they did, then they will be fine, if they didn't it will be shown soon.

Do you do this deep of a dive for every club or have some obsession with tearing down FCV?

This is moving the goalposts. I will agree on one thing. Too many "elite" level teams for one area will dilute the talent. However, the GDA (at this moment) still provides the top level of soccer especially for the younger ages. FCV is the top of THAT level and will be a desirable destination. Could things change? Of course. At the moment, Arlington MU and FCV(STJ) are competing for GDA players. Arlington will get their share, MU is full of uncertainty in terms of viability and success and FCV has some questions given the STJ merger. How this all plays out is a GUESS nothing more. As far as next year goes, what is most likely is that FCV will still have the strongest girls teams at the ages having ECNL and GDA in the area. The ECNL clubs will battle each other for the same players and are doing so right as we speak and it is a crap shoot on who wins that battle (my money is on McLean since Clyde and Nadir are there) and VDA (protected by geography). FCV will keep almost all of their top players so expecting things to drop off isn't realistic for next year. MU will improve albeit slightly as rosters supposedly shrink. Arlington will likely have little turnover as well since they have shown that historically.

But to come on here and say that Loudoun is all of a sudden going to go gangbusters at the older ages is just hoping against historical evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

And that proof demonstrates the other side of the same coin, little to no outside interest in FCV.

You want balance. For years the balance was with many outside players and recruitment. Now the balance is very few outside players, INDICATING little no no outside interest in the club.

Neither scenario is ideal. This is not a matter of moving the goal posts. Supply and demand are the issue now and there are just to many as good options for talented players to simply stay where they are or move only to the geographic closest best option. The majority of players interested in FCV or any other club frankly are players who's parents feel their own club overlooked their child or just no longer wish to remain. Many are also B and C team players seeing if they can get lucky and hop onto a DA or ECNL team in another club hoping a set of fresh eyes will see them differently. But that is far from TOP talent truly seeking FCV or other cubs out as in days not to long ago.

And this is not a bash on FCV, this is what the landscape is now and for the foreseeable future. The constant attacks on Spirit/Metro are indicative of this landscape. FCV isn't afraid of Metro now, but they are concerned about the overall hit on diluting the player pool overall for them going forward. Loudoun getting ECNL has dried up the well significantly for FCV. If posts here are indicators that confirms the overall lack of interest form a neighboring club that did provide a number of players over the years.

So now the question is how will FCV fare going forward? Did they develop quality players and teams? We'll soon see. If they did, then they will be fine, if they didn't it will be shown soon.

Do you do this deep of a dive for every club or have some obsession with tearing down FCV?

This is moving the goalposts. I will agree on one thing. Too many "elite" level teams for one area will dilute the talent. However, the GDA (at this moment) still provides the top level of soccer especially for the younger ages. FCV is the top of THAT level and will be a desirable destination. Could things change? Of course. At the moment, Arlington MU and FCV(STJ) are competing for GDA players. Arlington will get their share, MU is full of uncertainty in terms of viability and success and FCV has some questions given the STJ merger. How this all plays out is a GUESS nothing more. As far as next year goes, what is most likely is that FCV will still have the strongest girls teams at the ages having ECNL and GDA in the area. The ECNL clubs will battle each other for the same players and are doing so right as we speak and it is a crap shoot on who wins that battle (my money is on McLean since Clyde and Nadir are there) and VDA (protected by geography). FCV will keep almost all of their top players so expecting things to drop off isn't realistic for next year. MU will improve albeit slightly as rosters supposedly shrink. Arlington will likely have little turnover as well since they have shown that historically.

But to come on here and say that Loudoun is all of a sudden going to go gangbusters at the older ages is just hoping against historical evidence.

FCV is simply an example of what all clubs are facing. How many outside kids went to Loudoun's 07 tryouts for example? My guess is hardly any. That is the point. This isn't just a FCV thing, this is a thing that FCV, along with many other clubs have to contend with.

Loudoun has always maintained that their poor records at older ages have been because they lost top talent to FCV and McLean for years. Well, now starting at 07 with little defections Loudoun has a chance to prove what they can accomplish with retaining talent.

FCV now has the chance to prove that they can truly develop now that there is little outside interest.

It is going to be harder now than ever for any club to monopolize talent. Loudoun is in a great position with their rec program and size but they can no longer be lazy on the development side either or they will be embarrassingly bad at higher levels if they fail to truly develop their players.

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

And that proof demonstrates the other side of the same coin, little to no outside interest in FCV.

You want balance. For years the balance was with many outside players and recruitment. Now the balance is very few outside players, INDICATING little no no outside interest in the club.

Neither scenario is ideal. This is not a matter of moving the goal posts. Supply and demand are the issue now and there are just to many as good options for talented players to simply stay where they are or move only to the geographic closest best option. The majority of players interested in FCV or any other club frankly are players who's parents feel their own club overlooked their child or just no longer wish to remain. Many are also B and C team players seeing if they can get lucky and hop onto a DA or ECNL team in another club hoping a set of fresh eyes will see them differently. But that is far from TOP talent truly seeking FCV or other cubs out as in days not to long ago.

And this is not a bash on FCV, this is what the landscape is now and for the foreseeable future. The constant attacks on Spirit/Metro are indicative of this landscape. FCV isn't afraid of Metro now, but they are concerned about the overall hit on diluting the player pool overall for them going forward. Loudoun getting ECNL has dried up the well significantly for FCV. If posts here are indicators that confirms the overall lack of interest form a neighboring club that did provide a number of players over the years.

So now the question is how will FCV fare going forward? Did they develop quality players and teams? We'll soon see. If they did, then they will be fine, if they didn't it will be shown soon.

Do you do this deep of a dive for every club or have some obsession with tearing down FCV?

This is moving the goalposts. I will agree on one thing. Too many "elite" level teams for one area will dilute the talent. However, the GDA (at this moment) still provides the top level of soccer especially for the younger ages. FCV is the top of THAT level and will be a desirable destination. Could things change? Of course. At the moment, Arlington MU and FCV(STJ) are competing for GDA players. Arlington will get their share, MU is full of uncertainty in terms of viability and success and FCV has some questions given the STJ merger. How this all plays out is a GUESS nothing more. As far as next year goes, what is most likely is that FCV will still have the strongest girls teams at the ages having ECNL and GDA in the area. The ECNL clubs will battle each other for the same players and are doing so right as we speak and it is a crap shoot on who wins that battle (my money is on McLean since Clyde and Nadir are there) and VDA (protected by geography). FCV will keep almost all of their top players so expecting things to drop off isn't realistic for next year. MU will improve albeit slightly as rosters supposedly shrink. Arlington will likely have little turnover as well since they have shown that historically.

But to come on here and say that Loudoun is all of a sudden going to go gangbusters at the older ages is just hoping against historical evidence.

Also, at no point did anyone suggest that older Loudoun teams were going to go gangbusters. The older age groups all around are pretty set. The 06, 07 and younger age groups are reflecting how these clubs will all do going forward.

FCV's older established teams will continue to dominate and Loudoun's will get better at a slower pace. 07 is the line.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

Exactly. The word for these posters is envy. Period. FCV has warts and crazy parents like everywhere else, but the success of the teams is not debatable. These posters sound hopeful that this will change. Maybe it will or maybe it won't. But the only thing proven is what has already happened not what posters on this board think or hope will happen.

I don't know if it's envy or what, but there's definitely some folks who just hate the club and will write these long scenarios, twist and turn them and use the word "fact" a lot, just to try and tear the club down. Truly there's a great deal of talent in the area and more than one team can succeed. Tearing each other down is childish and lame. Unless we're playing each other, we don't really need to root against each other. (StJFCV, Loudoun, MU, etc....)

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

Exactly. The word for these posters is envy. Period. FCV has warts and crazy parents like everywhere else, but the success of the teams is not debatable. These posters sound hopeful that this will change. Maybe it will or maybe it won't. But the only thing proven is what has already happened not what posters on this board think or hope will happen.

I don't know if it's envy or what, but there's definitely some folks who just hate the club and will write these long scenarios, twist and turn them and use the word "fact" a lot, just to try and tear the club down. Truly there's a great deal of talent in the area and more than one team can succeed. Tearing each other down is childish and lame. Unless we're playing each other, we don't really need to root against each other. (StJFCV, Loudoun, MU, etc....)

If you think you have it bad about being "torn down" you should read over any of the five different threads dedicated to bashing Spirit.

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Anonymous wrote:Or you are the fool who doesn’t know that there weren’t any young teams at fcv before 2013. I have no idea how someone has been with fcv since 2009 since the only teams they had were ECNL teams before 2013. 2013 they started a u9 and u11 team only. A year later they merged with ashburn. So maybe these kids actually played there?

Listen buddy, you don’t know what you are talking about. Get out of your world of 18 year olds and talk to the parents of the younger teams. You’ll find all the answers there, including the truth I shared with you but for some bizarre reason you are in denial of.

My daughter played at Ashburn Soccer back when she was a U-little. When the merge happened, most of the higher level players came from the Ashburn side, complemented by a few that came from the then recently created FCV (aka South County). Many of those players are still playing high level soccer (ECNL and DA) but most are not playing it at FCV. SOME, but definitely not 50%.

This is exactly right, unlike the FCV u19 parent’s account.

1-3 players per team is a lie. Period. It is more than that. Regardless, the DA is the top level and should be drawing from all over especially when the team is the best team around in each age group. Why wouldn't players want to come and why wouldn't the team take them? Because you don't like it that way?

Well the truth is the landscape has changed and FCV is likely to rely on homegrown players more than ever before going forward. Despite their success, success gained in a very diluted landscape, it will be more difficult than ever to draw players in from the outside. Frankly, there are just to many viable options available to players today. Most savvy parents understand that if their kid is going to be recruited and college is a goal there are more opportunities to be seen now than ever before. And with those opportunities comes meaningful playing time. Playing means fun AND exposure.

To prove the PP's point.... look at the FCV 2007 DA. Almost all the players came from the FCV 2007 team. That is a good team, to be sure, but the fact that so many of them "advanced" suggests there was less interest from players from the outside than the club has seen in previous age groups.

Wait, new poster here, but first the complaint was that FCV didn't develop the players, they were recruited. BUT when the 2007 has a lot of FCV developed players, THAT's because others didn't want to come? So basically they can't win. They either recruit too much or not enough. Stop.

Exactly. The word for these posters is envy. Period. FCV has warts and crazy parents like everywhere else, but the success of the teams is not debatable. These posters sound hopeful that this will change. Maybe it will or maybe it won't. But the only thing proven is what has already happened not what posters on this board think or hope will happen.

I don't know if it's envy or what, but there's definitely some folks who just hate the club and will write these long scenarios, twist and turn them and use the word "fact" a lot, just to try and tear the club down. Truly there's a great deal of talent in the area and more than one team can succeed. Tearing each other down is childish and lame. Unless we're playing each other, we don't really need to root against each other. (StJFCV, Loudoun, MU, etc....)

If you think you have it bad about being "torn down" you should read over any of the five different threads dedicated to bashing Spirit.

I think it's abhorrent no matter who is bashing or getting bashed. It's foolish. So much conjecture and thinly veiled shots being taken at each other. I really think it's the minority of parent that do it too. Most FCV parent don't sit around hoping for Spirit to collapse any more than Spirit parents long for FCV to implode. It's a few fools with keyboards making us all look like we are at each other throats. Hopefully the sane people know better.

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I agree and for the record, my posts were about the macro of the landscape overall. If there is little outside interest in a club that is not always indicative of the club but is just a reflection of simple supply and demand.