Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

This. Given what is going on in the country it feels more like being a part of the fascist Christian minority who are ruining this country with their ignorance and hate.

Agree. It's weird. Something you see in China or North Korea. How soon before kids are being made to pledge allegiance to great leader Trump or DeSantis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

DP
Yes. They are precious, but when the Pledge professes to stand for a republic that is removing them, I understand why people won’t pledge their allegiance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

The HS won’t push back. I bet you’ll see an increase in staff members not pledging allegiance. It might not be a large number, but I wouldn’t be surprised if an increasing number no longer feel obligated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

where is the vomit emoji?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.

No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.

The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.

Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??

I’m not suggesting anything. The PP said the point is to use it to pray or meditate. I’m just saying they don’t use it for that and it’s not a moment of “silence”. It is what it is.

The minute of silence is a minute for all in the building to pause, reflect, meditate, pray, set intentions, run through their mental to do list, etc etc. It comes after the pledge and is required by the state DOE but there’s no requirement in place for how any individual uses it. Most of my kids just play on their phones during it lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.

No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.

The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.

Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??

I’m not suggesting anything. The PP said the point is to use it to pray or meditate. I’m just saying they don’t use it for that and it’s not a moment of “silence”. It is what it is.

The minute of silence is a minute for all in the building to pause, reflect, meditate, pray, set intentions, run through their mental to do list, etc etc. It comes after the pledge and is required by the state DOE but there’s no requirement in place for how any individual uses it. Most of my kids just play on their phones during it lol

Our MOS falls between the morning news show and the Pledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

Standing for a pledge doesn't mean that you respect your country. DH is in the Air Force. He is in the military to protect your freedom. That includes the freedom to not stand for the pledge.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

Ok I’ll let my child to stand pledge allegiance to Allah, since you insist on a God. Or does it have to be YOUR god?

If your child believes in Allah, then of course that would who they would be acknowledging.

And if they don't believe in God?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

This. Grow up and show respect. No country is perfect. If you are waiting for perfection you will forever be sitting.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

This. Grow up and show respect. No country is perfect. If you are waiting for perfection you will forever be sitting.

I am grown and no thanks. No one is expecting perfection. You mind your business.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

This. Grow up and show respect. No country is perfect. If you are waiting for perfection you will forever be sitting.

This attitude is so bizarre to me. Feel like it’s one only 80 year olds have. I am not obligated to stand and perform some ritual of pledging to a FLAG simply because I was born here. You are not required to have pride for your home country and frankly there’s not a ton to be respectful of. Why would any of us boast Liberty and justice for all in a country founded on slavery that does NOT provide justice or freedom equally to marginalized citizens? You’re allowed to believe the big illusion if you want but some of us know better and don’t feel the need to do the goofy little flag ritual.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.

No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.

The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.

Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??

I’m not suggesting anything. The PP said the point is to use it to pray or meditate. I’m just saying they don’t use it for that and it’s not a moment of “silence”. It is what it is.

If a teacher or a school cannot enforce a mandatory Moment of Silence for 1 freakin' minute (have the kids put down their phones--which they should not even have out after the bell rings), there is a serious problem in this country. If kids cannot even have the respect for authority, or the ability to stand quietly for 1 minute, there is a serious problem of enablement of the snowflake culture.

[Anonymous]

"Policing" this is an older white people thing.

Must have obedience or they'll tell you to have respect and "put you in your place".

This country was founded in the context of slavery and white privilege - (but also by great well-read men who understood great ideas and the weakness of man) - and won't be truly free until a kid can say "absolutely not" when Mr Perkins tells him to stand and pay worship to some symbol, iconography or leader.

As the military PP said - people have fought for us to have that right. The Nazis did not win. The slave-owners of the south did not win. The fact we had mercy on the vanquished is what allows the current authoritarian tendencies to persist and bubble back up. Jingoism is dangerous. On this July 4th we'd all do well to remember what ideals of freedom this county was founded on - and making a kid swear allegiance sure isn't part of that.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.

No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.

The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.

Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??

I’m not suggesting anything. The PP said the point is to use it to pray or meditate. I’m just saying they don’t use it for that and it’s not a moment of “silence”. It is what it is.

If a teacher or a school cannot enforce a mandatory Moment of Silence for 1 freakin' minute (have the kids put down their phones--which they should not even have out after the bell rings), there is a serious problem in this country. If kids cannot even have the respect for authority, or the ability to stand quietly for 1 minute, there is a serious problem of enablement of the snowflake culture.

Fellow teacher, here. I would love to be able to enforce a moment of silence for one minute. How do you suggest I do that? What authority do you think I have when the only consequences I can “enforce” are deferring to someone else’s authority - the parents…who may not care that Larlo is making noise or disrespecting the teacher or other students. The administrators, by the way, are politicians and only proxies for and/or customer servants of parents, so they are no help. Welcome to the corporate model of education.