Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so you can't "force" a student to stand, but can you tell them "Larlo, please stand up during the pledge" and if they don't then say "Please be respectful during the pledge" but all without literally forcing them to stand? Anything wrong with that?

And BTW I find that when students don't stand for the pledge in elementary school it is generally because they are distracted or silly or whatever, not making any kind of actual statement.

No. Just say nothing. If they are being disruptive, discipline them whatever way you discipline other disruptions.

Kind of hard to discipline someone when I and the other students are all saying the pledge of allegiance. Discipline them after for being disruptive? I'd just as soon put a stop to it in the moment, five seconds, done.

Let’s make it a little easier for you:
Disruptive? Discipline.
Not disruptive? STFU.

Exactly.

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In 20 years I've only seen 3-4 kids not stand. Most parents in the area teach their children respect from a young age.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

You’re insane. They choose not to stand. I can’t explain to you how not important and irrelevant the pledge is to kids nowadays and how impossible it would be to “indoctrinate” teenagers to do or think anything. People do not have to stand for or recite or care at all about the pledge and it may shock you but MOST kids in a public school in 2022 don’t and probably half the the teachers or more. Only old people who haven’t been in school forever deeply care about the pledge to this degree. You can say it every day at your own house before dinner if you think it’s that important.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

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Anonymous wrote:In 20 years I've only seen 3-4 kids not stand. Most parents in the area teach their children respect from a young age.

You teach a bunch of blindly obedient lemmings?

There is nothing *more* American than not standing. Or taking a knee.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

What are you prattling on about? Most countries have freedom and Liberty. Many have more freedom and Liberty than the USA.

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At least for now (who knows with this nutty Supreme Court), compelled speech is a violation of the first amendment. So forcing kids to pledge allegiance to a country while simultaneously violating the First Amendment is pretty ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:At least for now (who knows with this nutty Supreme Court), compelled speech is a violation of the first amendment. So forcing kids to pledge allegiance to a country while simultaneously violating the First Amendment is pretty ironic.

Probably on the christofacist agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

Lord save us from the true believers.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Exactly. The less than Supreme Court just took away a federal right from half of our population.

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Kids didn’t have to say pledge even 40 years ago. There was one oddball girl that never stood through elementary and high school.

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Anonymous wrote:In 20 years I've only seen 3-4 kids not stand. Most parents in the area teach their children respect from a young age.

First of all, most don't.
Second of all, the pledge is creepy. It has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with brainwashing. I see how it worked on you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

Lord save us from the true believers.

+1

Not that she would ever be required as a woman. I say that as female who served in the US military. But zealotry has never been my thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?