Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

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I thought area schools allow students to walkout as a form of protest without penalty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought area schools allow students to walkout as a form of protest without penalty.

One excused absence per year, but not reciting isn’t the same as a walkout.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/B9V3WT65A199/$file/ATTACHMENT%201_McElveen021419.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.

In one calculus, there are 19 countries above the US
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/06/11/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women-2021/#:~:text=The%20Netherlands%20was%20ranked%20the,Denmark%20ranks%204th.

In another, there are 17 countries better than the US for women

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women
Not even top five for women's rights alone. https://borgenproject.org/best-and-worst-countries-for-womens-rights/

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.

In one calculus, there are 19 countries above the US
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/06/11/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women-2021/#:~:text=The%20Netherlands%20was%20ranked%20the,Denmark%20ranks%204th.

In another, there are 17 countries better than the US for women

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women
Not even top five for women's rights alone. https://borgenproject.org/best-and-worst-countries-for-womens-rights/

You mean in a country where there was a very recent mass shooting?

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.

In one calculus, there are 19 countries above the US
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/06/11/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women-2021/#:~:text=The%20Netherlands%20was%20ranked%20the,Denmark%20ranks%204th.

In another, there are 17 countries better than the US for women

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women
Not even top five for women's rights alone. https://borgenproject.org/best-and-worst-countries-for-womens-rights/

You mean in a country where there was a very recent mass shooting?

A country where there's only been one mass shooting in 7 years. How many mass shooting were there in the US over the weekend?

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.

In one calculus, there are 19 countries above the US
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/06/11/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women-2021/#:~:text=The%20Netherlands%20was%20ranked%20the,Denmark%20ranks%204th.

In another, there are 17 countries better than the US for women

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women
Not even top five for women's rights alone. https://borgenproject.org/best-and-worst-countries-for-womens-rights/

You mean in a country where there was a very recent mass shooting?

A country where there's only been one mass shooting in 7 years. How many mass shooting were there in the US over the weekend?

Oh you’re quite right, one mass shooting doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.

In one calculus, there are 19 countries above the US
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/06/11/the-worlds-best-countries-for-women-2021/#:~:text=The%20Netherlands%20was%20ranked%20the,Denmark%20ranks%204th.

In another, there are 17 countries better than the US for women

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women
Not even top five for women's rights alone. https://borgenproject.org/best-and-worst-countries-for-womens-rights/

You mean in a country where there was a very recent mass shooting?

A country where there's only been one mass shooting in 7 years. How many mass shooting were there in the US over the weekend?

Way to dismiss the loved ones feelings from that 1 insignificant mass shooting!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:oh my god. I’m a teacher PP who says few of the kids stand. i have no reason to troll about that. perhaps it is different if the demographics of the school are mostly white. I’m sharing my experience at the school I teach at which is that 1-2 kids in the first or fifth block class , the class that is occurring during the pledge, stand. please get a life if you think that is so ludicrous as to be trolling.

And I'm another teacher PP who said the same thing. I haven't been teaching that long so I was kind of surprised but I actually don't care. Do you adults start your day at work by reciting the pledge? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

Why would a child have to stand for a pledge? Pledges are only good for giving rides and fetching beer for brothers!!