Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

[Anonymous]

I asked my high school and middle schoolers who attend a fcps high school if kids sit or stand during the pledge.

They looked at me very puzzled and said everyone stands, of course.

I am starting to thing the "everyone sits except for one or two kids" teacher posts are actually troll posts from the politics people who found this thread through recent topics.

There is a coordinated effort online by extreme leftists and outside hostile countries to divide Americans from within by trying to make us hate each other and our differences, so we are weaker as a nation and easier to defeat culturally, economically and politically.

They post as "americans" sowing discord and division. And they are very anti American.

There are also outside forces, such as the chinese communist party, that are investing heavily in our education system, sucb as investment in the College Board which runs our AP tests, including important history courses like AP World, US History and AP Government. They are trying to indoctrinate our kids to hate our country. Follow the funding. Compare the AP texts of a few years back before the CPP started to invest in the college board, to the AP texts now, particularly in the history and government class texts.

This thread and some of the "teacher" posts and "immigrants hate America" posts just reek to the skies of that kind of trolling.

[Anonymous]

oh my god. I’m a teacher PP who says few of the kids stand. i have no reason to troll about that. perhaps it is different if the demographics of the school are mostly white. I’m sharing my experience at the school I teach at which is that 1-2 kids in the first or fifth block class , the class that is occurring during the pledge, stand. please get a life if you think that is so ludicrous as to be trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

It’s great you feel that way. You need to stop patronizing and insulting people who don’t feel that way though. Your reasons for immigrating here and your feelings about it are yours and others don’t have to feel exactly this way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

It’s great you feel that way. You need to stop patronizing and insulting people who don’t feel that way though. Your reasons for immigrating here and your feelings about it are yours and others don’t have to feel exactly this way.

Her experiences represent the majority perspective of immigrants and naturalized citizens. Rich privileged liberals would like it to be different, for political reasons or for disdain of America. But she is speaking the truth of most naturalized citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

There has been such a push by the extreme left to destroy our republic over the past five or six years. We are reqping the fruits of their efforts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

There has been such a push by the extreme left to destroy our republic over the past five or six years. We are reqping the fruits of their efforts.

LOL, such a lazy troll

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

There has been such a push by the extreme left to destroy our republic over the past five or six years. We are reqping the fruits of their efforts.

Lets see, universal health care, actual social safety net, environmental regulations, worker rights on par with the rest of the developed world- nope we're still far to the right of any country that isn't a theocracy or Russia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

It’s great you feel that way. You need to stop patronizing and insulting people who don’t feel that way though. Your reasons for immigrating here and your feelings about it are yours and others don’t have to feel exactly this way.

Her experiences represent the majority perspective of immigrants and naturalized citizens. Rich privileged liberals would like it to be different, for political reasons or for disdain of America. But she is speaking the truth of most naturalized citizens.

And I am telling you, it isn’t the case for EVERYONE. A lot of my students had to come to the US because the US went in and destabilized their country. Some of them can never return to their home country because of safety issues or because their parents got them here but they are undocumented so can’t return and their feelings about immigration and the US and where they’re from are a lot more nuanced than certain other situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

+1 Fed up with the false patriotism and am fed up with the attempts at normalizing fascism in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

There has been such a push by the extreme left to destroy our republic over the past five or six years. We are reqping the fruits of their efforts.

This is the joke post. The "infiltration" from Putin and his minions attempting to control this country is the problem. Are you going to pretend that your tribe isn't trying to take over the country by the use of lies? You support fascism don't you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution. I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be. When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division. Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me. At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice.

It’s great you feel that way. You need to stop patronizing and insulting people who don’t feel that way though. Your reasons for immigrating here and your feelings about it are yours and others don’t have to feel exactly this way.

Her experiences represent the majority perspective of immigrants and naturalized citizens. Rich privileged liberals would like it to be different, for political reasons or for disdain of America. But she is speaking the truth of most naturalized citizens.

And I am telling you, it isn’t the case for EVERYONE. A lot of my students had to come to the US because the US went in and destabilized their country. Some of them can never return to their home country because of safety issues or because their parents got them here but they are undocumented so can’t return and their feelings about immigration and the US and where they’re from are a lot more nuanced than certain other situations.

"Nuanced"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

This is a joke post, like the Onion? Right?

DP
I didn’t read that as a joke.

Another Teacher

+1

Parent who feels the same about our declining democracy and the environment

+1 Fed up with the false patriotism and am fed up with the attempts at normalizing fascism in this country.

+1
“Stand back, and stand by”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

Any country where abortion is still protected for one.

Name it.