VA Publics worth out of state tuition

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Anonymous wrote:Other than UVA and W&M are any of the other VA publics worth paying out of state tuition?
If you lived in MD and don't get in at UMd would you consider paying full OOS tuition at VT, JMU, GMU or others?

When I was at Tech there were tons of kids from MD, so I would guess that many Marylanders would consider Tech to be worth it.

More than half of the engineering students at VT are OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

Yeah, but those out of state students at WM and UVA are then considered exotic and cooler than an average insular in state kid who still has the same high school clique of friends.

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

Yeah, but those out of state students at WM and UVA are then considered exotic and cooler than an average insular in state kid who still has the same high school clique of friends.

Because they dance naked?

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Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows 500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

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Anonymous wrote:Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows 500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

I get this if you are a foreigner. Otherwise, why would the NoVA crowd think someone from Ohio is "exotic" or vice versa?

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Anonymous wrote:Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows 500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

Eh. I went to large state U as an out of stater and was definitely in the minority as OOS (this is a school that limits number of OOS) and no one saw me as exotic, lol. A kid from McLean and a kid from Winnetka IL or Upper Arlington OH or Plano TX are, for all intents and purposes, pretty darn similar in terms of life experiences (well, they might have different life experiences, but not on the basis of their home state alone. The wealthy suburbs are the wealthy suburbs whether in the DC area or elsewhere).

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Anonymous wrote:Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows 500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

Yeah, that doesn't happen. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows 500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

Eh. I went to large state U as an out of stater and was definitely in the minority as OOS (this is a school that limits number of OOS) and no one saw me as exotic, lol. A kid from McLean and a kid from Winnetka IL or Upper Arlington OH or Plano TX are, for all intents and purposes, pretty darn similar in terms of life experiences (well, they might have different life experiences, but not on the basis of their home state alone. The wealthy suburbs are the wealthy suburbs whether in the DC area or elsewhere).

Exactly.

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At a recent tour of GMU, most of the tour guides were from NJ and in the honors program. I was surprised. So apparently they think at least the honors college there is worth the money.

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In fact would not consider it for UVA. Would consider W and M well worth the price of admission except for the location

What's wrong with the location? Williamsburg is an adorable town.

I think it's adorable too but DC didn't like it. Not much for college students to do, I guess? Seems kind of boring from their perspective maybe.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess this leads to another question.
Which OOS publics are generous enough with merit aid to make it reasonable to attend?
I know it is highly dependent on stats and some schools post exactly the stats needed on their websites (South Carolina, Alabama, Ohio State).
I have read that Vermont provides a lot of merit aid.

DC got into Vermont this year and got zero merit aid. Maybe if you have higher stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Being an out of stater is a totally different experience. People find you interesting. It's exotic to you, you're exotic to them. You get a clean slate, can be who you want when you get to college.

Vastly different experience than being an in-stater who knows [b]500 kids at UVA from their hometown.

Yeah, that doesn't happen. Ever.

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I agree. This poster keeps coming back with this 500 figure. There are only 4,000 in each UVA class - that has to cover the internationals, the OOS, the low-income, the athletes and the first-generations and legacies. There is no hometown in Virginia that sends 500 kids. Only @ 600 from all of NoVA get in and that covers a lot of high schools. Only two from my DC's school went. He's never even seen some of his church-related friends there. The only school that sends a "group" is T.J., so I don't know what this poster is talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary applications fell this year and their admission rate (36 percent) is unimpressive. What’s going on with that school?

Plus, to follow up, I just noticed that their yield has been very poor over the past several years. So no to William and Mary OOS. UVA would be the only one to consider from my perspective.

Just curious. Why would you let the yield rate drive your opinion? No one outside of people dealing with the admissions process really talks about yield.

The yield tells me that it’s not very popular. I think it’s a great school but I think it’s slipoing.

Lots of OOS high-stats kids apply to W&M. They turn it down for Ivies and other Top 20 schools. But, a good option.

W&M is a unique institution as a public college that seems much more like highly selective private school. The admission rate is somewhat meaningless in these days where students/hs counselors have so much data on admission stats--for public schools applicants are really self-selecting. It's better to look at the stats of the admitted class. W&M has the highest average SATs out of all the public colleges/universities in Virginia. Its average GPA is the same as UVA. It also is the most expensive of the public institutions so some VA students who are accepted to W&M will choose others on cost thus impacting its yield. It is required to admit 2/3 of Virginia students and doesn't offer great aid to out of state students (doesn't have the same freedoms as a private institution). So many OOS students will opt for private schools. But this has not affected the caliber of its admitted class, so I think it is not accurate to see it as "slipping."


False, According to the SCHEV reports the middle 50% of the W&M students in the entering class of 2017 last fall had a 1390; UVA's median SAT was higher. UVA's ACT scores were also higher at a 32 for middle 50% over W&M's 31. The top 25% figures for GPAs is almost identical - 4.44 or higher for top 25th percentile. http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The new class for UVA is 94% top ten percent of their class and their mean combined SAT scores are even higher than last year's: https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/

W&M standardized test stats are very slightly behind UVA in the latest year's SCHEV data. However, if you look at the historical data, SAT scores at W&M have generally been somewhat higher than UVA. The OOS SAT scores for W&M have also been higher. I've always thought these schools are good complements to each other in that they offer good alternatives to students (choice is nice), but for some reason, there is always seems to be a fight to knock one down at the other's expense.

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Anonymous wrote:VT engineering - heck yes. It's one of the top engineering schools in the country.

If you're from Maryland, and willing to pay OOS, why not get your money's worth and send your kid to an engineering school further away from home? Berkeley, UT, Michigan, GTech...?

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Anonymous wrote:No
In fact would not consider it for UVA. Would consider W and M well worth the price of admission except for the location

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