VA Publics worth out of state tuition

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How? And is this in 2018?

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary applications fell this year and their admission rate (36 percent) is unimpressive. What’s going on with that school?

Plus, to follow up, I just noticed that their yield has been very poor over the past several years. So no to William and Mary OOS. UVA would be the only one to consider from my perspective.

Just curious. Why would you let the yield rate drive your opinion? No one outside of people dealing with the admissions process really talks about yield.

The yield tells me that it’s not very popular. I think it’s a great school but I think it’s slipoing.

Lots of OOS high-stats kids apply to W&M. They turn it down for Ivies and other Top 20 schools. But, a good option.

W&M is a unique institution as a public college that seems much more like highly selective private school. The admission rate is somewhat meaningless in these days where students/hs counselors have so much data on admission stats--for public schools applicants are really self-selecting. It's better to look at the stats of the admitted class. W&M has the highest average SATs out of all the public colleges/universities in Virginia. Its average GPA is the same as UVA. It also is the most expensive of the public institutions so some VA students who are accepted to W&M will choose others on cost thus impacting its yield. It is required to admit 2/3 of Virginia students and doesn't offer great aid to out of state students (doesn't have the same freedoms as a private institution). So many OOS students will opt for private schools. But this has not affected the caliber of its admitted class, so I think it is not accurate to see it as "slipping."

[Anonymous]

But doesn't it really boil down to where your kid wants to go. If they didn't get in UMCP and you all don't want to do another MD state school but you want to do a public university in VA and your kid applied and got accepted, then let them go where they want. If you didn't want them to go to the VA schools then why did you encourage and pay for them to apply?

What are their other choices?

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't it really boil down to where your kid wants to go. If they didn't get in UMCP and you all don't want to do another MD state school but you want to do a public university in VA and your kid applied and got accepted, then let them go where they want. If you didn't want them to go to the VA schools then why did you encourage and pay for them to apply?

What are their other choices?

I think the OP was a hypothetical question. Likely preparing for next year's application cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary applications fell this year and their admission rate (36 percent) is unimpressive. What’s going on with that school?

Plus, to follow up, I just noticed that their yield has been very poor over the past several years. So no to William and Mary OOS. UVA would be the only one to consider from my perspective.

Just curious. Why would you let the yield rate drive your opinion? No one outside of people dealing with the admissions process really talks about yield.

The yield tells me that it’s not very popular. I think it’s a great school but I think it’s slipoing.

You are not thinking it through very carefully. Is there anything else that the yield could be showing? Is there any way that a college yield could be manipulated?

William and Mary is not slipping.

The SAT and ACT numbers reported for this year’s applicants are up from last year.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary applications fell this year and their admission rate (36 percent) is unimpressive. What’s going on with that school?

Plus, to follow up, I just noticed that their yield has been very poor over the past several years. So no to William and Mary OOS. UVA would be the only one to consider from my perspective.

Just curious. Why would you let the yield rate drive your opinion? No one outside of people dealing with the admissions process really talks about yield.

The yield tells me that it’s not very popular. I think it’s a great school but I think it’s slipoing.

Lots of OOS high-stats kids apply to W&M. They turn it down for Ivies and other Top 20 schools. But, a good option.

W&M is a unique institution as a public college that seems much more like highly selective private school. The admission rate is somewhat meaningless in these days where students/hs counselors have so much data on admission stats--for public schools applicants are really self-selecting. It's better to look at the stats of the admitted class. W&M has the highest average SATs out of all the public colleges/universities in Virginia. Its average GPA is the same as UVA. It also is the most expensive of the public institutions so some VA students who are accepted to W&M will choose others on cost thus impacting its yield. It is required to admit 2/3 of Virginia students and doesn't offer great aid to out of state students (doesn't have the same freedoms as a private institution). So many OOS students will opt for private schools. But this has not affected the caliber of its admitted class, so I think it is not accurate to see it as "slipping."


False, According to the SCHEV reports the middle 50% of the W&M students in the entering class of 2017 last fall had a 1390; UVA's median SAT was higher. UVA's ACT scores were also higher at a 32 for middle 50% over W&M's 31. The top 25% figures for GPAs is almost identical - 4.44 or higher for top 25th percentile. http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The new class for UVA is 94% top ten percent of their class and their mean combined SAT scores are even higher than last year's: https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/

[Anonymous]

Just glad we are VA in-state. I went to a large public (the best of the in-states) in a different state and it isn't well regarded. I'm very happy that as a VA resident my children will have some great in-state options. I can't believe how expensive schools are now.

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

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Plenty of OOS students at JMU, VT, GMU, etc.

What is the draw that people would want to pay the premium.
For example someone could attend Towson in-state for $26k/yr. JMU will cost $37k/yr for OOS. Is it really worth the additional $11k?

Apparently so. Isn't JMU better academically than Towson?

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

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Plenty of OOS students at JMU, VT, GMU, etc.

What is the draw that people would want to pay the premium.
For example someone could attend Towson in-state for $26k/yr. JMU will cost $37k/yr for OOS. Is it really worth the additional $11k?

Apparently so. Isn't JMU better academically than Towson?

It certainly is if your other picks are private LACs, SLACs or Universities. Have you seen what these schools charge a year? $65 to 82K. At those rates paying OOS for Virginia schools is a geat deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Just glad we are VA in-state. I went to a large public (the best of the in-states) in a different state and it isn't well regarded. I'm very happy that as a VA resident my children will have some great in-state options. I can't believe how expensive schools are now.

Unless they want to major in physics- which is why my DC did not choose an in state VA school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

+1
Plenty of OOS students at JMU, VT, GMU, etc.

What is the draw that people would want to pay the premium.
For example someone could attend Towson in-state for $26k/yr. JMU will cost $37k/yr for OOS. Is it really worth the additional $11k?

Apparently so. Isn't JMU better academically than Towson?

Pretty similar. Average SAT-
Towson 1133
JMU 1200

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Anonymous wrote:Other than UVA and W&M are any of the other VA publics worth paying out of state tuition?
If you lived in MD and don't get in at UMd would you consider paying full OOS tuition at VT, JMU, GMU or others?

When I was at Tech there were tons of kids from MD, so I would guess that many Marylanders would consider Tech to be worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:No
In fact would not consider it for UVA. Would consider W and M well worth the price of admission except for the location

What's wrong with the location? Williamsburg is an adorable town.

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of OOS kids at all of the VA public schools. So I guess plenty of people are happy to pay OOS tuition to go there!

Lots of New Yorkers go to WM.

+1
Plenty of OOS students at JMU, VT, GMU, etc.

What is the draw that people would want to pay the premium.
For example someone could attend Towson in-state for $26k/yr. JMU will cost $37k/yr for OOS. Is it really worth the additional $11k?

Apparently so. Isn't JMU better academically than Towson?

Pretty similar. Average SAT-
Towson 1133
JMU 1200

Umm, those scores are nowhere near “similar.”

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I have kids at JMU and VT and both have tons of OOS friends.