Great article on the direction UVA is heading......

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia needs some auto admit schools.
3.5 unweighted and 1250+ on the SAT and you’re in. Any spots leftover are available for out of state applications.

That’s JMU. Or has been. After the Tech adventure this spring, who knows.

What was the Tech adventure?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that UVA (and that article) constantly refer to the school as THE University. It’s all over that article. They already have a huge chip on their shoulder.

because it is written by a student for the student newspaper. That's all you are getting: one student's viewpoint in the student newspaper, so OF COURSE it is THE University because it's in the Cavalier Daily.

Wrong. That’s how students and alum from UVA refer to the school. It’s not UVA, or Virginia, or school, or college, it’s “the University”. And it’s not campus, it’s “the grounds”. They don’t have freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors, it’s first years, second years, third years, fourth years. sounds like you don’t know much about the school if you don’t even know one of the basic reasons people find UVA to be pretentious and fratty.

I find it highly comical that a school newspaper article is making the argument that UVA is becoming more like a private school but uses that vocabulary, which was already doing that job.

I actually don't find the terms " the grounds" or " 1st years, etc" to be pretentious. Referring to it at "the University" is obnoxious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I took trips from my Ivy to visit some of the 30-plus kids from high school going to UVA years ago it didn’t seem all that preppy to me. I mean lots of kids lived off campus in fairly basic apartments and the fraternity scene seemed very State U.

I can only surmise some of these comments are a reaction to its having become more selective over the years.

I was visiting the school about two years ago and couldn't believe the number of guys I saw wearing pastel polo shirts. That's really not the type of thing you see on other college campuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, I've heard the bright kids this month debating on whether they want to go to UVA or VT, and the argument keeps coming up that UVA has too many preppy douchelords.

And poor old W&M is completely out of fashion with the kids--too stodgy and grindy, and lacking in tech shinies.

There were too many preppy douchelords at UVA 30 years ago, which is why I applied to W&M instead.

You totally sound like someone in their late 40s.

Nice try, kiddo.

How can the students be "preppy" when most hail from Virginia? With the exception of maybe four or five faux preggy kids from Potomac, I don't see preppies in Virginia. Granted some from NoVa might be wealthy and come from powerfully connected families, but NoVa is not preppy land.

Oh come on, don't be so obtuse. The term preppy isn't exclusive anymore to waspy rich people from the NE. Every high school has a "preppy" crowd. As in the type of kids who play Lacrosse and join frats. They don't have to spend their summers going to the cape.

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Anonymous wrote:"whopping $32,000 for in-state"? Does this student have any idea what LACs, SLACS and private universities are going for? $62,000 to $82,000 a year, depending on the school. And that delta is paid in after-tax dollars. My DD started UVA at $26,000 a year. Thank heavens for Virginia universities.

This is a lot of money for middle class families. Only rich or poor kids are going to the $62,000 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:"freshman, sophomore, junior & senior" was not in collective use at the time Jefferson started UVA.

Well it wasn't when most other colleges started either, but they all still use the terms now.

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I think the author’s point that a state university should should primarily aspire to educate students from that state is valid. With its endowment UVA doesn’t need the full pay OOS students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that UVA (and that article) constantly refer to the school as THE University. It’s all over that article. They already have a huge chip on their shoulder.

because it is written by a student for the student newspaper. That's all you are getting: one student's viewpoint in the student newspaper, so OF COURSE it is THE University because it's in the Cavalier Daily.

Wrong. That’s how students and alum from UVA refer to the school. It’s not UVA, or Virginia, or school, or college, it’s “the University”. And it’s not campus, it’s “the grounds”. They don’t have freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors, it’s first years, second years, third years, fourth years. sounds like you don’t know much about the school if you don’t even know one of the basic reasons people find UVA to be pretentious and fratty.

I find it highly comical that a school newspaper article is making the argument that UVA is becoming more like a private school but uses that vocabulary, which was already doing that job.

The use of all of those terms is even more reason to avoid the place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of schools in Virginia to serve the unwashed masses. UVA doesn’t need to be one of them.

Douche lord alert!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of schools in Virginia to serve the unwashed masses. UVA doesn’t need to be one of them.

Bitch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"freshman, sophomore, junior & senior" was not in collective use at the time Jefferson started UVA.

Well it wasn't when most other colleges started either, but they all still use the terms now.

Rather than referring to a student’s year of study, in U.S. high schools and colleges, first year students are freshmen, second years are sophomores, third year students are juniors, and the most experienced are seniors.

Yet although this practice seems uniquely American, its origins date back several centuries to Cambridge where in 1688....
That said, the origins of these individual terms go back even farther.

Freshman
A child of Modern English, “freshman” dates back to the mid-16th century where it has invariably meant either “newcomer” or “novice.” Its use to denote a “university student in first year,” also dates to the 1590s.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/04/origin-freshmen-sophomore-junior-senior/

Yes nothing really happen before UVA’s founding ....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that UVA (and that article) constantly refer to the school as THE University. It’s all over that article. They already have a huge chip on their shoulder.

because it is written by a student for the student newspaper. That's all you are getting: one student's viewpoint in the student newspaper, so OF COURSE it is THE University because it's in the Cavalier Daily.

Wrong. That’s how students and alum from UVA refer to the school. It’s not UVA, or Virginia, or school, or college, it’s “the University”. And it’s not campus, it’s “the grounds”. They don’t have freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors, it’s first years, second years, third years, fourth years. sounds like you don’t know much about the school if you don’t even know one of the basic reasons people find UVA to be pretentious and fratty.

I find it highly comical that a school newspaper article is making the argument that UVA is becoming more like a private school but uses that vocabulary, which was already doing that job.

The use of all of those terms is even more reason to avoid the place.

As has already been explained, those terms were Jefferson's choices back when freshman, sophomore, junior, senior had barely made it over the pond from Oxbridge. The word "campus" also was not in use at the time. It's not a school newspaper article but one student's opinion editorial - and a poor one at that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the author’s point that a state university should primarily aspire to educate students from that state is valid. With its endowment UVA doesn’t need the full pay OOS students.

UVA's 8 billion dollar endowment is a shadow of Yale's at 27B and Harvard's at 32 billion. UVA is in the midst of building projects like the new basketball arena, new dorms, rehabilitation of the Rotunda (just finished) AND at the same time participates in QuestBridge and AccessUVA for low income students. No other public university participates in Questbridge. UVA guarantees 100% of need met, so if FAFSA indicates the student needs a full ride, the student will get a full ride package.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"freshman, sophomore, junior & senior" was not in collective use at the time Jefferson started UVA.

Well it wasn't when most other colleges started either, but they all still use the terms now.

Rather than referring to a student’s year of study, in U.S. high schools and colleges, first year students are freshmen, second years are sophomores, third year students are juniors, and the most experienced are seniors.

Yet although this practice seems uniquely American, its origins date back several centuries to Cambridge where in 1688....
That said, the origins of these individual terms go back even farther.

Freshman
A child of Modern English, “freshman” dates back to the mid-16th century where it has invariably meant either “newcomer” or “novice.” Its use to denote a “university student in first year,” also dates to the 1590s.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/04/origin-freshmen-sophomore-junior-senior/

Yes nothing really happen before UVA’s founding ....

Jefferson conceived of the University in 1802, long before the use of fresh, sophomore, junior, senior crossed the pond from Oxbridge. If anything, it would be pretentious for UVA to use an Oxbridge connotation in Jefferson's mind. First/Second/Third/Fourth year indicates the first four years of one's education which should go on throughout life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that UVA (and that article) constantly refer to the school as THE University. It’s all over that article. They already have a huge chip on their shoulder.

because it is written by a student for the student newspaper. That's all you are getting: one student's viewpoint in the student newspaper, so OF COURSE it is THE University because it's in the Cavalier Daily.

Wrong. That’s how students and alum from UVA refer to the school. It’s not UVA, or Virginia, or school, or college, it’s “the University”. And it’s not campus, it’s “the grounds”. They don’t have freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors, it’s first years, second years, third years, fourth years. sounds like you don’t know much about the school if you don’t even know one of the basic reasons people find UVA to be pretentious and fratty.

I find it highly comical that a school newspaper article is making the argument that UVA is becoming more like a private school but uses that vocabulary, which was already doing that job.

I actually don't find the terms " the grounds" or " 1st years, etc" to be pretentious. Referring to it at "the University" is obnoxious.

How else would the student author refer to the school in a student newspaper?