Metro incident and why crime in MD and DC greater than NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:VA in general actually has a functioning justice system compared to the joke of a revolving door that DC calls its court system?

Yes this.

Commit a crime in Arlington, and you won't be getting bail unless it's very minor.

Ultimately, a criminal knows that in VA, if he commits the ultimate crime, he may get the ultimate penalty. If he commits murder on the other end of the Key Bridge, there are several DC Council Members who will make excuses for him.

I can't believe you actually think this is a deterrent. It isn't. They just don't like VA.

It's common knowledge among LEOs in the area that criminals (or at least the smarter ones) tend to avoid running into VA because they know they'll be nailed to the wall by the justice system in VA. Can't say the same for DC or MD.

This. From direct personal experience, Arlington juries are exceedingly intolerant of criminal and antisocial behavior in their neighborhoods. And casual reading of the crime column (and the number of times a suspect is held without bail) suggests that Arlington is considerably stricter than MD or DC. Criminals catch on after a while.

Anecdote: Arlington has convicted one person from the rash of dirt-bike mobs taking over the streets periodically over the past year or two. One is way too small a number in my opinion, but has any other local jurisdiction convicted any at all?

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't there more Metro stops in poorer neighborhoods in MD than in VA?

Yes. There's no public transport in Woodbridge, VA.

Woodbridge is pretty far into VA though. 20-25 miles from DC. Past Springfield and Ft. Belvoir, into Prince William County. That’s very different, location wise, than Silver Spring, Alexandria, Arlington, Bethesda, etc. Once the silver line is built out, it will go that far into VA— but a much more affluent area in Fairfax and Loudoun. Does metro go that far into MD or VA anywhere else?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in dc and completely agree that the justice system is kind of a joke. Criminals get treated very differently in dc.

Because the inmates are running the asylum.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will continue to gentrify by pushing into MD. Crime in MD will continue to increase. Most of those pushed out cannot afford VA (perhaps deep into VA) nor will dare commit crimes there. So this crime map posted will be even more skewed.

Marion's "Chocolate" City is melting away...Good.

Lol right there will be no more black people in DC cause they’re all poor.

Agreed. Although demographics here may reflect wealth demographics, it is certainly not a race issue. Poor people of any race of similar socio-economic background if placed in such a wealth divided area would cause similar problems.

That feels right to say but it simply isn’t the truth. As a pp pointed out there are many impoverished Latinos in the region but they commit crimes, especially violent crimes, at a very low rate compared to impoverished blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:armed robbery, strong-arm robbery by force/violence, and assault crimes are lower in Virginia than in Maryland and DC for the same reason it's also lower in most other states, including those with large urban areas - because most states allow concealed carry. Maryland and DC (until recently) do not.

Other states with large cities and diverse populations, such as Texas, Georgia and Florida have similar demographics as the DC area, but less of the type of robbery crime that is typically committed in states where people aren't allowed to carry a gun for self defense.

It's really not that big of a mystery. Criminals aren't stupid. They understand things like this. Pulling a knife or gun on someone in Georgetown will get you their wallet, cel phone, or car. Pulling a gun on someone 1/2 a mile away in Roslyn might get you killed. They know this.

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No. Most of these guys have guns. Your gun does not scare them. Violent crime in Atlanta is absolutely terrible. That's Georgia. Miami? No thank you. Young black guys are going to stick out in Roslyn. They really aren't stupid. It is not unusual to see groups of young black guys in Georgetown. It is unusual in Arlington. I have a young black son that i am sure you would profile. He hangs out in Georgetown, not Roslyn. VA is boring. No one's interested.

And sadly, when there is a gas station robbery or a armed robbery of someone on the street in arlington, suspects are usually black males.

No what’s sad is that the PP’s son is going to get profiled for having the audacity to hang out in Georgetown. Free country - I think not.[/quote



PP's son is the reason most young kids go to Dupont, City Center or U St. H St

One lives in Georgetown but doesn't party there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you're racist if you don't think your black son "fits in' in Arlington

Woman please. I've seen my son get profiled a ton all over town. If he and his friends where hanging out in Arlington - they all have dreadlocks - they would get profiled. Period!

plenty of high school kids in Arlington have dreds. Your son doesn't want to party in Arlington because it is boring. Kids go to DC for fun as you pointed out

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Anonymous wrote:DC will continue to gentrify by pushing into MD. Crime in MD will continue to increase. Most of those pushed out cannot afford VA (perhaps deep into VA) nor will dare commit crimes there. So this crime map posted will be even more skewed.

Marion's "Chocolate" City is melting away...Good.

Lol right there will be no more black people in DC cause they’re all poor.

Agreed. Although demographics here may reflect wealth demographics, it is certainly not a race issue. Poor people of any race of similar socio-economic background if placed in such a wealth divided area would cause similar problems.

That feels right to say but it simply isn’t the truth. As a pp pointed out there are many impoverished Latinos in the region but they commit crimes, especially violent crimes, at a very low rate compared to impoverished blacks.

And the impoverished Lstinos will not be impoverished in ten years because they work and learn skills

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Anonymous wrote:armed robbery, strong-arm robbery by force/violence, and assault crimes are lower in Virginia than in Maryland and DC for the same reason it's also lower in most other states, including those with large urban areas - because most states allow concealed carry. Maryland and DC (until recently) do not.

Other states with large cities and diverse populations, such as Texas, Georgia and Florida have similar demographics as the DC area, but less of the type of robbery crime that is typically committed in states where people aren't allowed to carry a gun for self defense.

It's really not that big of a mystery. Criminals aren't stupid. They understand things like this. Pulling a knife or gun on someone in Georgetown will get you their wallet, cel phone, or car. Pulling a gun on someone 1/2 a mile away in Roslyn might get you killed. They know this.

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No. Most of these guys have guns. Your gun does not scare them. Violent crime in Atlanta is absolutely terrible. That's Georgia. Miami? No thank you. Young black guys are going to stick out in Roslyn. They really aren't stupid. It is not unusual to see groups of young black guys in Georgetown. It is unusual in Arlington. I have a young black son that i am sure you would profile. He hangs out in Georgetown, not Roslyn. VA is boring. No one's interested.

Plenty of brown, black, white people in Alexandria and Arlington. I don't buy this argument. NOVA PDs don't profile minorities any more or less than DC or MD.

Also I see how H and U streets are more exciting to teenagers but Bethesda and Silver Spring is just as 'boring' as Arlington and Alexandria. but the crime rates are higher in MD. I agree with much better and effective law enforcement and courts in NOVA.

In fact MD and DC have consistently fallen behind NOVA in recent years in creating safe neighborhoods.

Are you guys on crack? When I am in Arlington, I don't see a bunch of black people. I'm black. I really don't. If I am in Old Town Alexandria I also don't see a bunch of black people. Especially groups of black boys. They would stand out like sore thumbs.

Go to the Blue and White in Old Town Alexandria or Gus's in Arlington

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you're racist if you don't think your black son "fits in' in Arlington

Woman please. I've seen my son get profiled a ton all over town. If he and his friends where hanging out in Arlington - they all have dreadlocks - they would get profiled. Period!

Where us the "town" where your son is profiled?

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Anonymous wrote:The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

I'm the poster with the anecdotal evidence regarding my son. Not sure the trend except to say that most black kids have no desire to hang out in VA. I'm black and my father was from VA. He was born in 1920 and worked like hell to get out of VA.

I have VERY few black friends who live in VA. I'm not suggesting that no black people live there, I'm just stating that it doesn't tend to be our first choice. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend who suggested to her husband that they consider VA and he said hell no! He's a law firm partner.

I think the issues are more historical then crime fighting. Most criminals don't think about the laws before they commit a crime. If that was the case, there would be less crime in Atlanta, Miami and all of those other open carry places.

Yes, NOVA has less crime. I wonder if that's more of an economic issue than anything else. If you consider similar zip codes in MD and DC, the crime may be a little higher, but I'm sure it won't be much. It's hard to compare an entire city (DC) to a part of VA (NOVA). Trust and believe, there are some really rough places in VA.

I live in a very nice neighborhood in Alexandria VA. About four blocks from my house is a large section townhouses owned by the Alexandria Redevelopment Housing Authority. The occupants are black and have ruined the neighborhood school and are responsible for all the petty crimes in the area like shoplifting at the grocery store, car break ins, and public drunkeness.

We put up with it for the convenience to the city. Our neighborhood police liaison reports that our police area has the lowest crime rate in the city. It is much worse in Old Town and DelRay

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Anonymous wrote:Crime is directly proportional the number of poor, black males between the ages of 12 and 50 living in the community. If 35-45% of the community consists of this demographic, that will be a crime infested, drug infested hell hole. If there are no such individuals residing in the community, crime is dramatically lower.

Wow and incredibly false. My neighborhood is predominantly black and crime free. And each household has a black male in your age range. Your statement is racist and false.

Please post your statistics so that we can compare to the DC overall

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC will continue to gentrify by pushing into MD. Crime in MD will continue to increase. Most of those pushed out cannot afford VA (perhaps deep into VA) nor will dare commit crimes there. So this crime map posted will be even more skewed.

Marion's "Chocolate" City is melting away...Good.

Lol right there will be no more black people in DC cause they’re all poor.

Agreed. Although demographics here may reflect wealth demographics, it is certainly not a race issue. Poor people of any race of similar socio-economic background if placed in such a wealth divided area would cause similar problems.

Ever been to any city in SE Asia? The land of extreme wealth divides? I call BS on this statement because despite the extreme poverty prevalent in these nations, the crime rates are nowhere near as high as they are in what you'll find in our inner cities. This is a cultural problem specific to Black Americans.

Ahhh the beauty of an opinion...it’s all yours.
I’ll pass got my own, thank you.

Love to hear your opinion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VA in general actually has a functioning justice system compared to the joke of a revolving door that DC calls its court system?

Yes this.

Commit a crime in Arlington, and you won't be getting bail unless it's very minor.

Ultimately, a criminal knows that in VA, if he commits the ultimate crime, he may get the ultimate penalty. If he commits murder on the other end of the Key Bridge, there are several DC Council Members who will make excuses for him.

I can't believe you actually think this is a deterrent. It isn't. They just don't like VA.

It's common knowledge among LEOs in the area that criminals (or at least the smarter ones) tend to avoid running into VA because they know they'll be nailed to the wall by the justice system in VA. Can't say the same for DC or MD.

This. From direct personal experience, Arlington juries are exceedingly intolerant of criminal and antisocial behavior in their neighborhoods. And casual reading of the crime column (and the number of times a suspect is held without bail) suggests that Arlington is considerably stricter than MD or DC. Criminals catch on after a while.

Anecdote: Arlington has convicted one person from the rash of dirt-bike mobs taking over the streets periodically over the past year or two. One is way too small a number in my opinion, but has any other local jurisdiction convicted any at all?

Are you really this dumb? So criminals stop and say, oh my goodness, arlington juries are really tough on crime, better not commit a crime there! Ah no.

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Anonymous wrote:The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

I'm the poster with the anecdotal evidence regarding my son. Not sure the trend except to say that most black kids have no desire to hang out in VA. I'm black and my father was from VA. He was born in 1920 and worked like hell to get out of VA.

I have VERY few black friends who live in VA. I'm not suggesting that no black people live there, I'm just stating that it doesn't tend to be our first choice. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend who suggested to her husband that they consider VA and he said hell no! He's a law firm partner.

I think the issues are more historical then crime fighting. Most criminals don't think about the laws before they commit a crime. If that was the case, there would be less crime in Atlanta, Miami and all of those other open carry places.

Yes, NOVA has less crime. I wonder if that's more of an economic issue than anything else. If you consider similar zip codes in MD and DC, the crime may be a little higher, but I'm sure it won't be much. It's hard to compare an entire city (DC) to a part of VA (NOVA). Trust and believe, there are some really rough places in VA.

Op here, the population of NOVA is approx. 4 times than of the entire district. So per capita NOVA is actually disproportionately ahead of DC in terms of crime, more even than can be seen on the graph. This is probably because DC has a lot of income disparity and lags behind NOVA in addressing crimes is what I gather from the posts above.

To the PP citing walk-ability, I feel Maryland is on par with NOVA. Is Ellicott City more walkable than Woodbridge? Is Bethesda more walkable than Arlington? I don't think that is a noticeable difference.

I'm from Ellicott City. There's virtually no crime there just like Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you're racist if you don't think your black son "fits in' in Arlington

Woman please. I've seen my son get profiled a ton all over town. If he and his friends where hanging out in Arlington - they all have dreadlocks - they would get profiled. Period!

Where us the "town" where your son is profiled?

He was profiled in Wheaton Plaza getting Chipotle. He was profiled in Colonial Village (one of the nicest parts of DC) in front of our house in Sponge Bob pants getting groceries out of the car. He was profiled in Georgetown...

Shall I continue? Profiled meaning that he fit a "profile" and the police stopped and asked him questions.