Metro incident and why crime in MD and DC greater than NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a trick question? There are more poor blacks in DC and MD than in VA.

OP here. Not a trick question. Plenty of poor people in Woodbridge and geographic demographics do not explain why someone from MD or DC would not just cross the bridge and commit crimes in VA. in fact they routinely do between DC and MD.

Woodbridge is a pit of disgustingness and foul crimes - thanks for the reminder.

Woodbridge isn’t paradise or anything, but a pit of disgustingness and foul crimes? You must live a sheltered life.

Woodbridge is comparable demographically to some areas of PG. Yet reports for overall homicde, robberies, home invasions and similar violent crimes are considerably lower in Woodbridge than in similar parts of PG.

Why?

What's the ONE obvious difference between the two jurisdictions?

VA is a concealed carry state. Maryland doesn't permit carry.

You sure about that? I consider Woodbridge the 'hood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VA in general actually has a functioning justice system compared to the joke of a revolving door that DC calls its court system?

Yes this.

Commit a crime in Arlington, and you won't be getting bail unless it's very minor.

Ultimately, a criminal knows that in VA, if he commits the ultimate crime, he may get the ultimate penalty. If he commits murder on the other end of the Key Bridge, there are several DC Council Members who will make excuses for him.

I can't believe you actually think this is a deterrent. It isn't. They just don't like VA.

It's common knowledge among LEOs in the area that criminals (or at least the smarter ones) tend to avoid running into VA because they know they'll be nailed to the wall by the justice system in VA. Can't say the same for DC or MD.

[Anonymous]

Woodbridge is pretty similar to many low income areas in PG, like hyattsville or Langley Park.

But with less crime. (but crime still exists, just less of it)

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DC and MD have always enjoyed being basically lawless and ungoverned. Look at how people drive in MD. Look at all the quality of life crime in DC. If a jurisdiction decided that it will never enforce traffic laws, or public urination laws, or robbery laws, then people will do those things. When I lived in DC the police wouldn’t even show up unless they thought a gun was involved. It is not like that in Virginia, where people for whatever reason place a much higher value on safety and law enforcement. You can’t drive 60 mph through Arlington neighbors or urinate on storefronts in Falls Church without getting arrested and charged, so people tend not to do these things.

[Anonymous]

The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

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Enough beating around the bush just say white people don't commit crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Enough beating around the bush just say white people don't commit crimes.

That would be a completely false statement. In the US and the world in general, white, brown, black etc. people all commit crimes since they are all human.

The issue is how does a county or city deal with crime? From the map it seems like Northern VA does a better job managing crime that MD and DC does. How do they do it? Can it be replicated in DC and MD? Is more community based policing required? Of course more opportunities are required for the poor and the DC area in general is actively trying to do so. But what can the local govts. do to ensure citizens safety?

These are are questions that cannot be answered with simply accusatory statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

I'm the poster with the anecdotal evidence regarding my son. Not sure the trend except to say that most black kids have no desire to hang out in VA. I'm black and my father was from VA. He was born in 1920 and worked like hell to get out of VA.

I have VERY few black friends who live in VA. I'm not suggesting that no black people live there, I'm just stating that it doesn't tend to be our first choice. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend who suggested to her husband that they consider VA and he said hell no! He's a law firm partner.

I think the issues are more historical then crime fighting. Most criminals don't think about the laws before they commit a crime. If that was the case, there would be less crime in Atlanta, Miami and all of those other open carry places.

Yes, NOVA has less crime. I wonder if that's more of an economic issue than anything else. If you consider similar zip codes in MD and DC, the crime may be a little higher, but I'm sure it won't be much. It's hard to compare an entire city (DC) to a part of VA (NOVA). Trust and believe, there are some really rough places in VA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

I'm the poster with the anecdotal evidence regarding my son. Not sure the trend except to say that most black kids have no desire to hang out in VA. I'm black and my father was from VA. He was born in 1920 and worked like hell to get out of VA.

I have VERY few black friends who live in VA. I'm not suggesting that no black people live there, I'm just stating that it doesn't tend to be our first choice. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend who suggested to her husband that they consider VA and he said hell no! He's a law firm partner.

I think the issues are more historical then crime fighting. Most criminals don't think about the laws before they commit a crime. If that was the case, there would be less crime in Atlanta, Miami and all of those other open carry places.

Yes, NOVA has less crime. I wonder if that's more of an economic issue than anything else. If you consider similar zip codes in MD and DC, the crime may be a little higher, but I'm sure it won't be much. It's hard to compare an entire city (DC) to a part of VA (NOVA). Trust and believe, there are some really rough places in VA.

PP here, when I mention historical, I am referring to the Confederacy. VA was a pretty racist place for black people for a very long time.

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Should DC and MD loosen penalties for minor crimes, and ban employers from inquiring about past convictions?

[Anonymous]

Maryland and DC have walkable communities; Virginia for the large part does not. There are fewer crimes of opportunity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The WAPO crime map is telling of what happens to similar communities that value laws and safety over nearby communities that don't.

NOVA is boring and Maryland is exciting (also just lol at the poster using her son as anecdotal evidence to try and explain a trend and arguing with crack arguments) or people in Rosslyn are armed in masse are poor arguments.

Implement laws fairly and come does not gain a foothold. Plenty of countries with far bigger rich-poor divide with lower crime rate than DC.

I'm the poster with the anecdotal evidence regarding my son. Not sure the trend except to say that most black kids have no desire to hang out in VA. I'm black and my father was from VA. He was born in 1920 and worked like hell to get out of VA.

I have VERY few black friends who live in VA. I'm not suggesting that no black people live there, I'm just stating that it doesn't tend to be our first choice. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend who suggested to her husband that they consider VA and he said hell no! He's a law firm partner.

I think the issues are more historical then crime fighting. Most criminals don't think about the laws before they commit a crime. If that was the case, there would be less crime in Atlanta, Miami and all of those other open carry places.

Yes, NOVA has less crime. I wonder if that's more of an economic issue than anything else. If you consider similar zip codes in MD and DC, the crime may be a little higher, but I'm sure it won't be much. It's hard to compare an entire city (DC) to a part of VA (NOVA). Trust and believe, there are some really rough places in VA.

Op here, the population of NOVA is approx. 4 times than of the entire district. So per capita NOVA is actually disproportionately ahead of DC in terms of crime, more even than can be seen on the graph. This is probably because DC has a lot of income disparity and lags behind NOVA in addressing crimes is what I gather from the posts above.

To the PP citing walk-ability, I feel Maryland is on par with NOVA. Is Ellicott City more walkable than Woodbridge? Is Bethesda more walkable than Arlington? I don't think that is a noticeable difference.

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Crime is directly proportional the number of poor, black males between the ages of 12 and 50 living in the community. If 35-45% of the community consists of this demographic, that will be a crime infested, drug infested hell hole. If there are no such individuals residing in the community, crime is dramatically lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crime is directly proportional the number of poor, black males between the ages of 12 and 50 living in the community. If 35-45% of the community consists of this demographic, that will be a crime infested, drug infested hell hole. If there are no such individuals residing in the community, crime is dramatically lower.

Pray for accelerated gentrification in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crime is directly proportional the number of poor, black males between the ages of 12 and 50 living in the community. If 35-45% of the community consists of this demographic, that will be a crime infested, drug infested hell hole. If there are no such individuals residing in the community, crime is dramatically lower.

Pray for accelerated gentrification in DC.

+1 I already have.