A Day Without Women in Our Public Schools on March 8?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

This may be the most arrogant post I have ever read. I was a teacher. After some years and a move because of my husband, I went into a professional office job. Longer hours. Less stress. And, sure, I missed the "summers off"--but the duty free lunch hour made up for that. And, if I had an appointment or a workman coming to the house, I could take a half day off without the need for preparing lesson plans and going back to straighten out the mess a sub had made. (Not that all subs make messes, but many do.) And, if I had a family event to attend in another city, I could go without guilt. If I needed to tend to needs in the restroom, I could get up from my desk and go any time I pleased. (Think about that. Most people don't.)

Did I miss teaching? Yes. I missed the satisfaction of knowing that I had helped kids succeed. There is nothing like comparing papers from the end of the year to those the kids did at the beginning and seeing just how far they had come. Sharing those papers with them and showing them their success was quite fulfilling.

Believe me, not "anyone" can do a teacher's job. And, no, most professionals would not do a much better job. And, no, you did not choose a "better" career--you have chosen a career that likely pays better. Teachers do deserve to be well compensated, but, it is true that they get two months off in the summer. However, they don't get to choose which two months off--the system chooses for them. Very likely, you get to take your vacation when you wish. In today's world, lots of jobs give more time off than they did long ago. I bet you may even have the option of working from home--teachers only work from home after they have spent a day at school.
And, FWIW, it sounds like that you not only resent teachers but also those "1000 stay at home Mommies" . Get a grip.

The best and the brightest don't become teachers.

I switched careers to have vacations with my children and work shorter hours. I work longer than 8-3 as some posters are suggesting but my hours and days do not compare to my old job or to DH. I choose this realizing it would be less pay. No one forced me to become a teacher. It was a compromise to quitting work all together and becoming a SAHM. Teachers need to stop whining. They can go back to school and change careers if they want to be paid more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Compare teachers and nurses salaries to other jobs that have the same education requirement.

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

[Anonymous]

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

There are other factors:
public employees
supply and demand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

There are other factors:
public employees
supply and demand

There is a teacher shortage. Plenty of demand, so where's the compensation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

There are other factors:
public employees
supply and demand

There is a teacher shortage. Plenty of demand, so where's the compensation?

And private teachers make even less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Compare teachers and nurses salaries to other jobs that have the same education requirement.

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

You clearly have no idea what you talking about. Full time RN's in this area easily make six figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Compare teachers and nurses salaries to other jobs that have the same education requirement.

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

You clearly have no idea what you talking about. Full time RN's in this area easily make six figures.

No. They aren't easily making that kind of money. Some are, most aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Compare teachers and nurses salaries to other jobs that have the same education requirement.

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

You clearly have no idea what you talking about. Full time RN's in this area easily make six figures.

No. They aren't easily making that kind of money. Some are, most aren't.

Thanks, clearly the PP lives in a bubble and "heard" that nurses make 6 figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I am a teacher, and I find public school teachers' participation in this event to be ironic. This is because public schools are probably one of the only employers that DO pay men and women the same salaries. Those salaries are publicly posted information.
Please, ladies, find a better way to channel your time and energy than this. Your absence will simply make all teachers look bad.

Anyone can do your job. Most professionals would do a much better job, but they chose better careers. You chose to have summer off, so you don't deserve to be well compensated. You only work from 8am to 3 pm. You have all holidays off. Male teachers make less ( or the same as female teachers) because they are doing women's work. If they would nut up and find a real job, they would make more. Take the day, don't take the day. There are 1,000's of stay at Mommies that can hand out work sheets that day.
It's ridiculous to think teachers and care givers are on par with doctors and lawyers.

I am the PP. I cannot for the life of me understand how my post resulted in this pompous response.
Guess what? I am a career switcher, new to teaching. I used to make a much higher salary, but decided I wanted to give back. And I can tell you that teaching is one of the most difficult jobs I have ever had. No, not just anyone can do it. And the only worksheets I hand out are ones that I myself spent hours creating.
Remember: some poor teacher somewhere taught you the things that you now know. You should be grateful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

You are choosing to be obtuse, so I'm not sure this worth discussing...
teaching has historically been considering women's work, so it has been historically under valued. Yes, both men and women can make a different choice, but that doesn't negate an entire profession being under compensated over decades. It also doesn't change our society's weird need to hold women to a different standard. There is an expectation that women, and roles they traditionally occupy, work for less or free.
Today's teacher gets the same raw deal, no matter their gender. Hardly worth celebrating.

I'm in a traditionally male profession and no one expects me to work for less or free. Teachers make less because they get the summers off. They also seem to never get fired for incompetence or lack of temperament to be in charge of kids. My kids have had a few stellar teachers, but they are the exception, not the rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

Yes sweetheart, that is literally the point. You work in a traditionally male profession and aren't expected to work for free, unlike the ladies.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

You are choosing to be obtuse, so I'm not sure this worth discussing...
teaching has historically been considering women's work, so it has been historically under valued. Yes, both men and women can make a different choice, but that doesn't negate an entire profession being under compensated over decades. It also doesn't change our society's weird need to hold women to a different standard. There is an expectation that women, and roles they traditionally occupy, work for less or free.
Today's teacher gets the same raw deal, no matter their gender. Hardly worth celebrating.

I'm in a traditionally male profession and no one expects me to work for less or free. Teachers make less because they get the summers off. They also seem to never get fired for incompetence or lack of temperament to be in charge of kids. My kids have had a few stellar teachers, but they are the exception, not the rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

You are choosing to be obtuse, so I'm not sure this worth discussing...
teaching has historically been considering women's work, so it has been historically under valued. Yes, both men and women can make a different choice, but that doesn't negate an entire profession being under compensated over decades. It also doesn't change our society's weird need to hold women to a different standard. There is an expectation that women, and roles they traditionally occupy, work for less or free.
Today's teacher gets the same raw deal, no matter their gender. Hardly worth celebrating.

I'm in a traditionally male profession and no one expects me to work for less or free. Teachers make less because they get the summers off. They also seem to never get fired for incompetence or lack of temperament to be in charge of kids. My kids have had a few stellar teachers, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Time to homeschool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Teachers and nurses make less because it is seen as a job for women with men who support them.

There are other factors:
public employees
supply and demand

There is a teacher shortage. Plenty of demand, so where's the compensation?

there's a teacher shortage in shitty schools but there is definitely a massive surplus/demand in top tier districts/schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds really stupid. A day without women? Has someone suggested getting rid of us? What on earth are we trying to prove?

Totally agree. Has anyone ever heard the term: "personal responsibility"?

I don't feel "personally responsible" for gender pay inequity , and I certainly don't feel "personally responsible" for an entire culture under valuing "women's work".
- not a teacher, but I support those who are fed up.

I don't view teaching as women's work. No one is making women go into teaching. I considered teaching, but chose not to because of the pay. Just like I chose not to be a social worker. It is a choice. I don't think it's a secret that teachers' salaries aren't "high." It is about personal responsibility. If you don't want the pay associated with a job, don't take it. When there isn't enough supply, salaries will go up. If you keep supply up and then whine about the pay, nothing really happens to make the situation better.

... oh well you don't view that way, so that settles that.

Are you saying women don't have a choice about their career paths? Teaching used to be women's work because that was one of the few career paths they could take. Today the choices are endless. Males who chose teaching as a career path make the same, they are not somehow given a special salary scale. We each need to own choices. The victim complex gets old.

You are choosing to be obtuse, so I'm not sure this worth discussing...
teaching has historically been considering women's work, so it has been historically under valued. Yes, both men and women can make a different choice, but that doesn't negate an entire profession being under compensated over decades. It also doesn't change our society's weird need to hold women to a different standard. There is an expectation that women, and roles they traditionally occupy, work for less or free.
Today's teacher gets the same raw deal, no matter their gender. Hardly worth celebrating.

I'm in a traditionally male profession and no one expects me to work for less or free. Teachers make less because they get the summers off. They also seem to never get fired for incompetence or lack of temperament to be in charge of kids. My kids have had a few stellar teachers, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Time to homeschool?

I supplement quite a lot at home to compensate, and that works fine for our family. My point is, there are reasons why teacher salaries are low, and lack of quality control is one of them. If my clients had to constantly make up for gaps in my work product by putting significant extra work into it, I can guarantee you I'd be fired, or, at a minimum, be paid less.

[Anonymous]

Man, not a teacher, have kids in FCPS, fully support any women wanting to protest on the 8th.

Thank you for helping me shape my kids.